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OSM Havi Meetup (online)

Posted by bkil on 2 June 2020 in Hungarian (Magyar)

További információk a wiki oldalon olvashatók:

Kérdéseket Matrixon és a levlistán is fogadunk.

Terjesszétek a hírét: ne feledjétek a szabályt - mindenki hozzon még két embert!



Posted by Zkir on 2 June 2020 in Russian (Русский)

Как загрузить трехмерные здания из OSM в программу трехмерного моделирования Blender Я это показывал на стриме, но теперь отдельно и подробно про установку плагина и его использование.

Licence OpenStreetMap

Posted by kudlav on 1 June 2020 in Czech (Česky)

Aqualand Moravia 1. 6. 2020 – čeká na odpověď

[WIP] Быстрые коментарии для changeset review

Posted by skfd on 1 June 2020 in Russian (Русский)

устаревшие PoI через

Привет! Ети даные уже введены, нужно обновить приложение.

Вот инструкция как можно обновлять карты чаще:


Привет! Подьезды более точно можно обозначать так (первый подъезд, квартиры 1-12):


What and where is the Ahaggar?

Posted by Linus Wolf on 1 June 2020 in English (English)

Charles de Foucauld’s Dictionnaire abrégé touareg-français de noms propres “Abridged Tuareg–French dictionary of proper names” is not only a valuable gazetteer of the Tuareg-inhabited central Sahara, but also a historical source capturing a time when European understanding of Tuareg toponymy had not yet taken on a life of its own.

One example of this divergence between traditional usage of local native speakers, and European reception, is the name and possibly the extent and nature of the Ăhaggar.

The Ăhaggar, clearly and unanimously, is a mountain range or mountain massif. In the early 1900s, Ăhaggar is also attested as the name of a country containing the Ăhaggar mountains. To my knowledge, the usage continues today (in the sense of a land, perceived as culturally or socially distinct, though not politically independent).

In Europe, it’s also known by the name Hoggar, a form which came about through contact with Arabic. Besides, the central part of the mountain massif is often introduced to tourists as the Atakor, apparently also giving rise to the geologically defined area of the Atakor volcanic field. Some overlapping area is now also protected as the Ahaggar Cultural Park.

I’d like to first and mainly look at the historical explanations given in Foucauld’s Dictionnaire, which are interesting as approximations to the local usage prior to major European (or other foreign) influence. After that, I’ll also go over some representations of the Ăhaggar in online databases.

The historical usages

The mountains

According to a first entry in Foucauld’s gazetteer, the Ăhaggar is …

la région appelée proprement Ăhaggar est le massif montagneux central du pays des Kel-Ăhaggar, massif de forme ovale, […] qui est compris entre 23° et 23° 30′ lat. N. et 2° 50′ et 3° 40′ long. E.

“The region properly called Ăhaggar is the massif of mountains central to the land of the Kel-Ăhaggar, a massif of oval shape, located between 23° and 23° 30′ lat. N. and 2° 50′ and 3° 40′ long. E.”

Let’s draw an ellipsis from the given coordinates:

Approximative border of the Ăhaggar when reading the coordinates as WGS-84

That doesn’st look like a mountain range. Turns out, as a French aristocrat Foucauld still used the Paris meridian in about 1910. Hence, shifting the location by about 2.33° results in a much more sensible perimeter:

Approximative border of the Ăhaggar when shifting the coordinates from the Paris to the Greenwich prime meridian

This defines a moderate extent of what is locally called the Ăhaggar (meaning the mountain range). Foucauld also records a separate name for the foothills of the mountains, which reinforces the understanding that Ăhaggar refers only to this highest mountainous area. The rocky or mountainous areas immediately adjacent, which may be geologically completely continuous, have separate Tuareg names. They are, then, not part of the Ăhaggar mountains according to local, traditional usage (as transmitted by Foucauld). At any rate, the peaks are much lower outside the Ăhaggar.

Regarding the name of the mountains, Foucauld states that …

Ăhaggar est le nom propre de cette région et le terme le plus employé de beaucoup pour la désigner

“Ăhaggar is the proper name of this region and the term most used by many [? most used by far?] to refer to it.”

He also lists a bunch of alternative names, and, as stated above and clearly on Foucauld’s mind when writing the gazetteer, Ăhaggar is at the same time the name of the country. Therefore he decides that …

pour éviter les confusions, nous la désignons habituellement dans ce dictionnaire non pas par le nom Ăhaggar, mais par le nom Ătakôr-n-Ăhaggar

”to avoid confusion, we [i.e. the author, Foucauld] usually refer to it [the massif of mountains] in this dictionary not by the name Ăhaggar, but by the name Ătakôr-n-Ăhaggar” – in effect, in almost all instances shortened to Ătakôr.

I think it is probable that by this decision, Foucauld started the European tradition of distinguishing a central part of the Ăhaggar as the Atakor – when, in fact, Foucauld makes it clear that in local usage these names are interchangeable and refer to the same mountain area.

The country

In a second entry, Foucauld states that Ăhaggar is also the name of the …

pays tout entier des Kel-Ăhaggar (territoire soumis à la domination des Kel-Ăhaggar, compris entre le Tidikelt, l’Ăhnet, l’Ădṛaṛ, l’Ăir et l’Ăjjer)

“The entire country of the Kel-Ăhaggar (territory under the rule of the Kel-Ăhaggar, surrounded by the Tidikelt, the Ăhnet, the Ădṛaṛ, the Ăir and the Ăjjer)”

With Kel-Ăhaggar being the …

[nom propre] des Touaregs qui habitent le territoire de l’Ăhaggar, en un seul corps de nation, sous le commandement d’un chef unique

“proper name of the Tuareg who live in the territory of the Ăhaggar, as a single body of a nation, under the government of a sole ruler”

I wouldn’t make claims about undivided nationhood – Foucauld’s statement stems from a specific political era and perspective, of course. The complex structure of Tuareg society is much better described in European scientific literature by now. Nevertheless, it seems appropriate to characterize the Ăhaggar as an independent, self-governed country prior to military defeat by the French in 1902.

As described by Foucauld, the Ăhaggar mountains are the center (not geometrically) of the Ăhaggar country, and the latter is named after the former. But the country stretches far beyond the mountains, about 500 km to the North, 330 km to the East, though only some 200 km West and 150 km South. It covers various landforms – mountains and sand seas and flat rocky areas, another major mountain range (the Tefedest), and even claims some of the surrounding sandstone plateaus.

As said above, I think the Ăhaggar is nowadays still perceived by inhabitants as a distinct region or land, after decades of being subsumed in Algeria. (Perhaps the term “cultural region” might be fitting?) The distinction seems clearest in relation to the largest neighbour, the Ăjjer. Ăhaggar people have clear opinions that things are done differently in the Ăjjer, and where necessary carefully delineate spheres of influence.

Foucauld sketched the borders of the country. This sketch can be seen on page 8 and page 9 of the scan of one of his dictionaries. As a work of Charles de Foucauld, this sketch is in the public domain, and I might get around to releasing my digitization of it.

The Ăhaggar in current databases

I’ve already introduced some of the understandings of names by Europeans; I’m going to quickly cover how and where they are present in online databases:


GeoNames has two entries for the mountains, Ahaggar and Atakor, showing the European distinction described above. The placement of both entries is in the correct area; however, as said before, both names refer to the same massif for local native speakers.

There is no entry in GeoNames to reflect the historical country, current region or land.


Wikidata also distinguishes between the Hoggar and the Atakor-n-Ahaggar. On the latter item, I have already added some of the information found in Foucauld’s gazetteer. The English and German Wikipedia articles linked to Atakor-n-Ahaggar imply, to my understanding, that the Atakor volcanic field is an area established as distinct in geology – and therefore could be treated as distinct from local naming and delineation. The Dutch Wikipedia article covers both the mountain massif (i.e. the indigenous concept) as well as the volcanic field (i.e. the scientific concept).

The French Wikipedia article describes the Ăhaggar mountains as covering 50000 km²; the English article states that the mountains cover 550000 km². The ellipsis based on Foucauld’s (approximative) description has an area of about 3600 km². Therefore, the Dutch Wikipedia article comes closest with 3800 km².

I don’t know of a Wikidata item for the country Ăhaggar – maybe I’ll create one when the existing ones are improved.


OpenStreetMap has a node and a way to represent the Ăhaggar mountains. They are redundant to each other – they both describe the mountain range, without an obvious sign of the European Ăhaggar–Atakor distinction. (However, they link to the separate Wikidata entries.)

I have created the way, not too long ago. The node is much older. The way shows my best understanding of how the Ăhaggar mountains are delimited, starting from Foucauld’s (public domain) sketch map and refined according to a number of entries scattered throughout the gazetteer.

In my opinion, the two OSM objects could be merged to a single object representing the local conception that there is one mountain massif distinct from the surrounding areas interchangeably called Ăhaggar/Ătakôr (plus some other alternative names).

I’m not too keen on creating a boundary of the historically independent country, current region of Ăhaggar on OSM.

Composite satellite image of the Ăhaggar from Landsat 8 scenes

Location: Tamanghasset, de Tamanrasset District, Tamanrasset, Algeria

Configuration option added to OSM Smart Menu

Posted by jgpacker on 31 May 2020 in English (English)

Now you can disable/enable specific websites in OSM Smart Menu.

How can you access the configuration page?

  • In Google Chrome, right-click the OSMenu button, and select “Options”;
  • In Firefox Desktop, right-click the OSMenu button, select “Manage Extension” and go to the “Preferences” tab;
  • In Firefox Mobile, go to “Extensions”, and then select “OSM Smart Menu”.


Posted by AmeliaMap on 31 May 2020 in English (English)


Mapping of the West Bengal area to help with aid to areas hit by Cyclone Apmphan.

Spent 1 hour mapping buildings

JOSM. Плагин RelToolBox. Практический пример использования: исправления болот в лесу

Posted by _PG_ on 31 May 2020 in Russian (Русский)

“Очень часто новички рисуют болото в лесу, не вычленяя эту территорию из территории леса. Потому что лес нарисован мультиполигоном, а работать с ними сложно. Получается, что у нас полигон болота залит поверх полигоном леса. Это некорректно. Записал демонстрацию работы по поиску и исправлению таких ошибок.”

Сделал ещё один видос, примерно на час с небольшим, с демонстрацией практической работы с инструментом reltoolbox. Демонстрация получилась так себе, потому что большую часть видео я тупил, пытаясь понять, на что же такое я в данный момент смотрю (как на зло, в ходе демонстрации попался для распутывания особо злобный клубок полигонов).

Новости из мира OpenStreetMap № 513 (12.05.2020-18.05.2020)

Posted by Silka123 on 31 May 2020 in Russian (Русский)

logo 513 выпуск WeeklyOSM теперь и на русском

На что обратить внимание:

  • На инструменты пользователя muramuto
  • В российском сообществе OSM идет картоация “Как проехать в деревню?”. Присоединяйтесь!
  • На отечественный ГИС-проект по анализу маршрутов общественного транспорта
  • На проект “OSM Then And Now”

JOSM. Редактирование мультиполигонов

Posted by _PG_ on 31 May 2020 in Russian (Русский)

Запилил видос по работе с мультиполигонами (1ч 15мин), возможно кому-то будет интересно.

  • Что такое мультиполигоны и зачем они нужны
  • Как эти мультиполигоны устроены
  • Почему нужна автоматизация при их редактировании
  • Создание новых мультиполигонов, а так же редактирование и починка уже существующих
  • Типичные ошибки, а так же их поиск

Первоначальный сценарий писался из расчёта, что зритель “уже посмотрел предыдущие обучающие видео”

  • По устройству карты OSM
  • По работе с геометрией
  • По способам множественного выбора объектов
  • По работе с диалоговым окном настроек JOSM
  • По работе с меню JOSM
  • По добавлению плагинов
  • С описаниями полезных плагинов
  • По управлению панелью инструментов
  • По работе с фильтрами

(Все эти видео в планах есть, а в реальности нет.) В итоге пришлось галопом по европам объяснять почти всё перечисленное прямо в этом видео, поэтому оно адски распухло в объёме.

Возможно, немного сумбурно получилось, кроме того, я там в одном месте ошибся и эту ошибку выявил уже в ходе демонстрации. :)

Mapping as Protest

Posted by PhysicsArmature on 31 May 2020 in English (English)

Go on past 8PM in your time zone. Find a helicopter in the air that is making an obscure amount of circles. Find out where it started at, then map the area.

This is fully nonviolent, does not require you to leave your house, although it probably would not change the status quo on it’s own.

Fundraising project helps the epidemic impact

Posted by ONE​MORE​DAY​ on 30 May 2020 in English (English)

Fundraising project helps the epidemic impact

Finding "interesting" airports.

Posted by PhysicsArmature on 30 May 2020 in English (English)

Want to know where the most unmapped, most non-military, yet highly militaristic airports are? Go on, press U, find military helicopters. Click on their flight path and find where they started. I can not tell you how crazy tonight is. The amount of police choppers in the air is intense. Look something up on the news, I reassure you, there will be something in the sky.

Location: Kingfield, Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota, 55409, United States of America

Field names: lucky map find (Ireland)

Posted by b-unicycling on 29 May 2020 in English (English)

Luckily, I’m well connected with the right people (at least in this case), and people know my obsessions about benchmarks and field names. I had been surveying Cramersgrove in Co. Kilkenny and a friend said that “we” (in this case Kilkenny Archaeological Society) had a c 1815 Coghill Estate map in our archives with field names on it. Again luckily during lockdown, I have a key to the archives, because I was doing some work there at the beginning of lockdown, so I had a root around. The problem with those maps is that they are all rolled up and you don’t know what’s on them until they’re unrolled and not all of them are labelled. But I found the right one! And it does have field names on it and some match the ones I got from the farmer who lives there now. His great-grandfather must have been purchasing that land about the time that map was made. That should be well out of copyright and I should be allowed to add the historical names. If there is a tag…

The field with the pin is Bonnahilla on the 1816 map. A bit of a different spelling to Bawn na haille.

Location: Grove or Cramersgrove, Kilkieran, The Municipal District of Castlecomer, County Kilkenny, Leinster, Ireland

Jamasi, Ashanti, Ghana

Posted by Nicki Serves on 29 May 2020 in English (English)

ema Secondary School, Ghana TEMA SECONDARY SCHOOL Jamasi, Ashanti, Ghana

Service-ul lui Igor

Posted by Radu Marandiuc on 29 May 2020 in Romanian (Română)

Servicii auto,diagnostic. Reparații electrice. Generator, siguranță, cablaj, computer.

Location: Sîngerei, Raionul Sîngerei, MD-6201, Moldova

Utilizando Overpass no Python para gerar alertas para Gps Garmin

Posted by Tomio on 29 May 2020 in Brazilian Portuguese (Português do Brasil)

Como já comentei em outro post, faço alertas de Lombadas (ou quebra-molas) e também de Pedágios com os valores da tarifa, para Gps Garmin Automotivo. São distribuídos gratuitamente no fórum GpsClube.

Através de uma consulta overpass e edições no LibreOffice, crio um arquivo csv para utilizar no programa Poi Loader da Garmin, que compila os alertas (formato gpi).

Montar o arquivo csv demanda um certo tempo, então resolvi estudar Python para automatizar esta tarefa.

Assim, nasceram dois pequenos programas, muito rudimentares e básicos que fornecem o arquivo csv pronto para rodar no Poi Loader.

Para rodar os programas, utilizei a plataforma Colab, da Google:




Para facilitar a utilização e dispensar a instalação do python, transformei os dois programas em arquivos executáveis (.exe) para o sistema win10, com emprego do Auto-Py-to-Exe.

A publicação anterior sobre pedágios:

Agradecimentos a wille e santamariense, colaboradores do OSM, que deram dicas ajudando na solução de alguns problemas.

Fieldnames: don't forget HerStory

Posted by b-unicycling on 28 May 2020 in English (English)

It occured to me today that when “we” are out inquiring about field names from farmers, we usually only get the names on the farm we are on or maybe neighbouring farms. I think what is very important to consider is asking the wife in the house (if she’s not already the informant) about her homestead. It’s likely that she grew up on a farm as well. And she could be from some remote area that the surveyor (“we”) is not likely to get to any time soon.

Of course you have to be prepared for that eventuality. Going out to the farm with FieldPapers of that farm won’t be any use for the wife from further afield (pun not intended). Taking a laptop, praying for good broadband and using OSM there and then might be the better strategy. If she doesn’t remember, she might still have a brother or nephew on the home farm. Once the contact is established, a FieldPaper atlas could be sent to him. She will be able to explain it to him in their own words rather than in our mappers’ lingo.

This is all academic so far; I haven’t had a chance to try it. Yet.

Wandern mit OSM

Posted by Hungerburg on 28 May 2020 in German (Deutsch)

Wenn man auf Wanderungen Zufallsbekanntschaften macht und auf Nachfrage einen Blick auf die Wanderkarte werfen darf, dann sieht man in gar nicht wenigen Fällen ein Produkt das auf den Daten von (OSM) basiert. In der recht verbreiteten outdooractive Variante nimmt das freilich sehr Wunder, denn die Darstellung der OSM Daten, gerade was Wege angeht, ist darin derart reduziert, dass mehr als der Verlauf kaum ersichtlich wird.

Dabei enthalten die OSM Daten weitere hilfreiche Angaben dazu, die sich optisch ansprechend einbauen lassen. Einige Apps unabhängiger EntwicklerInnen, recht preiswert, manche sogar kostenlos, bringen sie ausdrucksvoll und schön zu Tage. Böse Zungen werden sagen, outdooractive (die gemanagte Community) oder Kompass (der Verlag) tun das absichtlich nicht, um ihren Zahlprodukten keine Konkurrenz zu machen. Andere werden sagen, die Daten sind nicht professionell genug auf einen Mindeststandard gehoben, um sich die Mühe anzutun, sie überhaupt in die Gestaltung zu übernehmen.

Wie dem auch sei, wer dagegen mit google-maps wandern geht, das wohl nicht nur meines Erachtens professionellste Produkt am Markt für Navigationssysteme, dem kann sowieso nicht geholfen werden, schließlich ist es für Leute gemacht, die mit ihren Füßen hauptsächlich ein Gaspedal bearbeiten oder zum Shopping durch eine Altstadt bummeln, und wirklich gut darin, hier von A nach B zu finden. Aber auch diese Karte bekommt man, zumindest wenn man nicht zu fern breiter Forststraßen unterwegs ist, hin und wieder zu sehen. Was man nicht im Kopf hat, das hat man in den Beinen, das kommt dabei heraus.

Was gibt es zu jenen OSM Daten nun Wissenswertes zu erzählen? Das Argument mangelnder Professionalität hat einen wahren Kern, die Daten entstehen, ähnlich wie Einträge in der allbekannten Wikipedia, zu einem nicht unbedeutenden Teil aus dem Fleiß von Hobbyisten, in diesem Fall Sonntagsgeographen unterschiedlichster Motivationen und Meriten. Penibel nach GPX, Luftbild und DGM eingetragene selten begangene Steige finden sich dort gleichauf Skiabfahrten mitten in der Sahara, die erstaunlich lange stehen bleiben, wohl weil den in ihrem Machtrausch kichernden Kids ob deren Absurdität niemand böse sein kann. Große Mengen Daten stammen aus open government data Beständen und sind häufig ohne viel Prüfung in Bausch und Bogen übernommen worden; angesichts des schieren Volumens nicht weiter verwunderlich.

Wenn ich in einem Werbetext lese, dass ich gegen Aufpreis in einer App amtlich beglaubigte Daten als Grundlage der Karte zukaufen kann, verstehe ich sofort, warum selbst Leute, die dieses Paket erworben haben es in der Praxis dann nicht verwenden. Schließlich will man ja den aktuellen Weg, dessen Zustand oder die zu erwartende Schwierigkeit erfahren und nicht, wo im Grundbuch ein Wegerecht hinterlegt ist oder wo vor 50 Jahren Jäger ihre Reviere durchstreiften.

Was man selten zu sehen bekommt, sind Karten auf Papier. Die Übersichtlichkeit bleibt nach wie vor unübertroffen, die Geschwindigkeit mit der man von der großräumigen Orientierung zum Detail wechseln kann detto. Aber die müsste man ja jedes Mal extra heraussuchen und auch einpacken.

This month the tagging list has been mostly talking about ...

Posted by SomeoneElse on 28 May 2020 in English (English)

I’ve added a couple of short but interesting scripts to github. They fetch and sort posts from an OSM mailing list from some time in the past. For example, here are the topics on the talk list at the height of the licence change furore: talk 2012 May

 35  OSM : It's a shame !!!
 24  Edit review: ele=0
 22  Worst of OSM
 21  TomTom is thumping us
 17  Import of buildings in Chicago
 17  Edit review: intermittent waters
 16  OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes
 15  Edit review: "building"="levels=N"
 14  Cycleways and Access tags: Left, Right, Forward, Backward?
 10  OpenSeaMap
 10  Cycle lanes & cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal
  7  Changing capitalization (Lima)
  6  OWL down
  6  OSM data density - top regions
  6  Old versions of OSM?
  6  Copy-and-paste remapping
  5  TTTracklog and TomTom core 9.4
  4  OSMCoastline /
  4  Mapnik rendering issue with *_link roads
  4  (dis)Honesty and Copyright

and here’s the tagging list today: tagging 2020 May

106  Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM
 75  Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved
 58  Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme
 49  RFC ele:regional
 42  relations & paths
 35  Doorzone bicycle lanes
 34  Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email
 30  Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles
 26  Change of wiki page Key:access
 25  Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?
 24  track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path
 23  Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?
 15  Meaning of "administrative" in boundary=administrative, in your country?
 14  With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement
 14  [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?
 14  oneway=yes on motorways
 11  Section numbers in hiking routes
 11  Running but no hiking/walking
  9  Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain
  8  Fwd: Section numbers in hiking routes

looking at the names, some of these from 2007 are still familiar: talk 2007 May

 79 Frederik Ramm
 59 David Earl
 46 Nick Whitelegg
 33 Richard Fairhurst
 31 Christoph Eckert
 27 Jon Burgess
 26 Andy Robinson
 25 Martijn van Oosterhout
 21 Lester Caine
 18 SteveC
 18 Robert (Jamie) Munro
 17 Nick Black
 16 Joerg Ostertag (OSM Munich/Germany)
 15 Steve Chilton
 14 Francisco R. Santos
 14 David Groom
 14 Barnett, Phillip
 13 Hakan Tandogan
 12 Robert T Wyatt
 12 Matthias Julius