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2024年4月3號花蓮外海發生規範 7.2 強烈地動,造成嚴重 ê 道路中斷 kah 人命傷亡。OpenStreetMap Taiwan 社群開設下跤三个專案,向望各界鍵盤圖客支援繪製花蓮 ê 建築、土地利用 kah 落勾 ê 道路 kah 溪流:

這馬佇咧參詳地動了後 ê 衛星影像捐贈 ē-tàng iōng tī 繪製新 ê 地貌,並且 tī 主要災後復原了後,期待直接 tī 在庄 ê 實體活動,幫助在庄 ê 人。

Location: 民有, 崇德村, 秀林鄉, 花蓮縣, 972, 臺灣

On April 3, 2024, an earthquake happened outside the coast of Hualien, which caused serious roadblocks and human casualties. OpenStreetMap Taiwan has opened 3 projects for mapping affected areas, requesting worldwide mappers to map buildings, landuses, missing roads or waterways in Hualien.

We are talking if there is a possibility to donate the newest satellite image after the earthquake to map the after-earthquake situations. And the possibility of hosting mapping events on-site after the affected area returns to normal, helping locals by mapping the newest map data.

Location: Minyou, Chongde Village, Xiulin, Hualien County, 972, Taiwan

2024年4月3日花蓮外海發生規範7.2強烈地震,造成嚴重的道路中斷與人命傷亡。OpenStreetMap Taiwan 社群開設以下三個專案,企盼各地鍵盤圖客支援繪製花蓮的建築、土地利用與遺漏的道路與溪流:

目前在洽談震災後的衛星影像捐贈用來繪製新的地貌,並且在主要災後之後,期待直接在當地的實體活動,幫助在地民眾。

Location: 民有, 崇德村, 秀林鄉, 花蓮縣, 972, 臺灣

感謝 TomTom 台灣辦公室 ê 牽成,由𪜶公司成大測量系系友去接接,閣加上 OpenStreetMap Taiwan ū 申請社群的 Tasking Manager 管理權限,會當新增適合本地進行 ê 專案,才有這改 ê 機會去成大進行 OpenStreetMap 圖客工作坊,並且用 Tasking Manager 來分配繪製台灣本地 ê 圖資。

Tasking Manager ▲ Tasking Manager ê 專案,這改 boeh 繪製 ê 範圍-台南學甲區

這改成大圖客松 3/26 為止攏總 ū 107 个編輯變動,29 个 sī 工作人員 ê 編輯變動,3 个社群朋友 ê 編輯變動,22 位學生投入編輯總共 ū 75 个編輯變動,設定繪製 ê 目標建築,總共畫出 369 棟。

學生家己動手了後,投入 ê 狀況猶袂䆀,頭起先紹介𪜶 OpenStreetMap ê 基礎智識,閣來予𪜶知影資料 boeh 按怎產生–ê,落尾家己動手來做。毋過整體時間干焦一个半點鐘,其實時間無夠用,除非抵著比較庄腳 ê 任務,正常來講可能一塊當中 ê 建築攏畫袂完。

這改邀請方 sī 成大測量系,佮老師話仙時,𪜶定定 teh 運用 OpenStreetMap 資料,老師和社群部分 sī 熟似早年 ê OpenStreetMap 台灣社群走跳 ê Dongpo,因此 OpenStreetMap 相關 ê 智識 sī tuì Dongpo 來–ê,嘛是真合理 ê 代誌,因為 Dongpo 嘛是空間資訊學科背景 ê 人。

台南成大 ▲ 台南成大 tī OpenStreetMap 頂懸畫甲真詳細

進前已經由社群資深成員 kā 傷大 ê 土地利用拆解處理,這是進前台南土地利用 ê 歷史遺留問題。社群朋友建議會當教關掉特定圖徵。我 ê 回應 sī 若是 boeh 畫台南市東區抑是中南區 ē 關掉,毋過學甲 ê 資料量應該 sī bô chōe,boeh 畫 ê時愛 kā 畫面變大,應該袂無細膩 kā 地址點位合併掉–ah。

進前討論工作坊 ài 做啥物 ê 時,有想著用 MapRoulette ê 任務,毋過解微型任務傷技術 kah 資料導向–ah,學生可能袂明白佇咧創啥,閣來 sī MapRoulette 網站傷無穩定–ah,頂擺 OSMF Board meeting Martijn van Exel 還有上去報告,拍算請求 OSMF 資源協助。到時陣若是真正用 MapRoulette 有可能拄著網站掛–ah。

紲落來任務 ê 拍算,抑是 boeh 聽候台灣社群 ê 逐家有閒 sî 來畫畫,因為工作坊參與者閣來編輯 ê 比率無懸。學生 ū 傷濟好耍 ê 代誌會當做。目前 tī OpenStreetMap Taiwan 內 ū 四个畫地圖專案,閣看覓情況多開 HOT Tasking Manager 專案來處理台灣特定地方 ê 資料,敬請期待。

Location: 大學里, 東區, 臺南市, 701, 臺灣

OpenStreetMap Taiwan x TomTom NCKU Mapping Workshop

Posted by Supaplex on 3 April 2024 in English. Last updated on 4 April 2024.

We must thank TomTom Taiwan Office for arranging a workshop through their colleague’s connection with the Department of Survay, NCKU. The OpenStreetMap Taiwan Community has applied for the HOT Tasking Manager’s admin role for creating its local project that suits local needs. It is quite a good fit for the NCKU Workshop: using Tasking Manager for local mapping projects and mapping local stuff.

Tasking Manager ▲ Tasking Manager project page. This project’s main goal is to map Xiejie District, Tainan City.

There are a total of 107 changesets, 29 from our staff, and 3 from community members for the NCKU workshop. The number of participants from NCKU is 22 students with a total of 75 changesets. During the whole workshop, there are 369 buildings mapped.

When the students start doing the mapping, they are quite concentrated on the project. The lecturer first tells them the basic knowledge of OpenStreetMap, then the mapping process, and then finally lets the students begin mapping buildings. Due to the time slot limitation of only 1.5 hours, it is not enough time to map even a single task unless the mapper chooses a very rural area.

The host organization for the workshop is the Survey Department, NCKU. When chatting with the professor, the professor mentioned that they frequently use OpenStreetMap during research. The professor knows the early OpenStreetMap Taiwan community Dongpo, and his knowledge of OpenStreetMap comes from Dongpo. It is quite reasonable due to Dongpo’s background in geographic science.

NCKU in Tainan ▲ National Cheng Kung University is located in Tainan, which is quite well-mapped on OpenStreetMap

We have someone look at the huge land use issue which is a long long time ago import stuff, slicing the land use to a much smaller, manageable size. The other feedback from the community that I received, suggested closing certain map features. I think if we are mapping the old Tainan City, it is obvious that we should close nodes or POIs to make the whole loading map feature size smaller. But we are mapping Xiejia District, which is not in the city center, so the total data size and the possibility of mis-combined something is also small.

When we prepared for the NCKU workshop, we thought about the MapRoulette Challenge. But MapRoulette website is unstable and the micro-task is too technical and data-driven, which might confuse students. They might know the process but have no idea why they are doing it. At the last OSMF Board meeting, one of the members invited MapRoulette website author Martijn van Exel to report during the board meeting, asking for assistance from OSMF for the MapRoulette website. If we use MapRoulette, we might run into downtime.

After 3/25, we must ask Taiwan’s community for a favor and continue mapping the project. It should be expected that students have a low retention rate. School life is fun and they have so much stuff to do. The Taiwan community will open other tasks for mappers to map specific Taiwan areas.

We also have feedback for HOT. They are quite good for training the Tasking Manager admin role. After you join the HOT Slack Workplace, you can ask questions in real-time and soon get a response. For the embedded editors in HOT Tasking Manager, both the iD and Rapid localization are not set correctly to zh-tw, but to zh. The community in Taiwan has already translated many of the terms on the Transifex translation platform from English to Taiwanese Mandarin. We explained to the student that we already fully translated the UI interface, but the language detection and setting were wrong.

In the long term, the community is looking forward to promoting in schools, whether we are in universities or high schools, there is a one-time or multi-time workshop event. We want to show the real way of mapping - in a community way. Just like the workshop in NCKU, using HOT Tasking Manager to split a big area into smaller tasks for mapping. Right now we only can observe the history pages to know if there might be a school workshop mapping in the surrounding area. And normally school teachers are not familiar with OpenStreetMap, and the student’s edit situations vary. If there is a community member who can guide, will make the whole mapping event much smoother and avoid trouble edits.

Location: Daxue Village, Eastern District, Tainan, 701, Taiwan

藉由 TomTom 台灣辦公室牽線,由他們成大測量系系友去洽談,再加上 OpenStreetMap Taiwan 申請社群的 Tasking Manager 管理權限,能夠新增適合本地進行的專案,才有此次的機會前往成大進行 OpenStreetMap 圖客工作坊,並且用 Tasking Manager 來分配繪製台灣本地圖資。

Tasking Manager ▲ Tasking Manager 的專案,本次要繪製的範圍台南學甲區

本次成大圖客松截至 3/26 共計 107 個編輯變動,29 個工作人員的編輯變動,3個社群朋友的編輯變動,22 位學生投入編輯總共有 75 個編輯變動,設定繪製目標的建築,總共畫出 369 棟。

學生實際動手之後,投入狀況還不錯,先介紹他們 OpenStreetMap 的基礎知識,再來知道資料怎麼產生,最後自己動手來做。由於整體時間只有一個半小時,並不太夠,除非選到比較郊區的任務,不然連一塊當中的建築都畫不完。

這次邀請方是成大測量系,與老師聊天時,他們蠻常運用 OpenStreetMap 資料,然後社群部分跟早年的 OpenStreetMap 台灣社群活躍者 Dongpo 比較熟,與 OpenStreetMap 相關認識是從 Dongpo 來的,也蠻合理的,因為 Dongpo 是相同空間資訊學科背景的。

台南成大 ▲ 台南成大在 OpenStreetMap 上面畫得相當詳盡

之前已經由社群資深成員把過大的土地利用拆解處理,這是先前台南土地利用的歷史遺留問題。社群朋友建議可以教關掉特定圖徵。我的回應是如果要畫台南市東區或是中南區我會關掉,但學甲的資料量還好,要畫的時候要放大,應該不至於不小心把地址點位合併掉。

先前討論工作坊要實作的內容,有想到用 MapRoulette 的任務,但一來解微型任務太技術與資料導向,學生可能不明白在做什麼,二來是 MapRoulette 網站太不穩定了,上次 OSMF Board meeting Martijn van Exel 還有上去報告,打算請求 OSMF 資源協助。到時候如果真用 MapRoulette 有可能遇到網站掛了。

後續任務的話,還是要請台灣社群的大家抽空畫畫,因為工作坊參與者再次編輯比率沒有很高。學生太多好玩的事情可以做了。目前在 OpenStreetMap Taiwan 下面有四個畫地圖專案,之後再試情況再多開 HOT Tasking Manager 專案來處理台灣特定地方資料,敬請期待。

另外要回饋 HOT 這邊的狀況,他們的訓練 HOT Tasking Manager 管理員的線上操作教學蠻不錯,而且加入 HOT 的 Slack 之後,也能隨時去反應問題與交流狀況。不過盡管台灣社群處理 iD 編輯器與 HOT Tasking Manager 翻譯都有持續隨新字串加入翻譯成台灣華語,但是在 HOT 實作的 iD 編輯器與 Rapid 編輯器,判斷裝置的語言出錯,變成 zh 的,導致該出現的 zh-tw 翻譯字串沒出現。在上工作坊時,只能跟台下同學解釋,社群都有翻譯,不是故意要出現簡體字,要再跟 HOT 反應介面語言呈現的技術問題了。

另外也想要爭取在其他學校,不論是大學還是高中,能由社群朋友進去帶幾堂課程,以真實 OpenStreetMap 社群運作方式去帶新手,例如像這次成大工作坊用 Tasking Manager 分配任務來繪製。不然先前只會在台灣這邊的編輯歷史列表當中,看到大量以學校為中心繪製 OpenStreetMap 的狀況,但帶頭的老師認識不深的狀況下,學生繪製的狀況落差相當大,如果學生人數多時,很容易出現問題編輯狀況,社群看到出現問題被動處理。這時候如果有 OpenStreetMap 社群成員在旁提醒與指導,第一時間避免問題編輯,避免出現必須移除或回退資料的情形。

Location: 大學里, 東區, 臺南市, 701, 臺灣

因為選舉緣故有人來創治線頂地圖,共𪜶想欲罵的候選人的問題別莊、舊厝抑是土地畫到地圖頂懸,線頂地圖攏受著影響,其中這改竟然有人想著OpenStreetMap矣。

In-ūi soán-kí iân-kò͘ ū-lâng lâi chhòng-tī sòaⁿ-téng tōe-tô͘, kā in siūⁿ-boeh mē ê hāu-soán-lâng ê būn-tê pia̍t-chong, kū-chhù ia̍h-sī thô͘-tōe ōe kàu tōe-tô͘ téng-koân, sòaⁿ-téng tōe-tô͘ lóng siū-tio̍h éng-hióng, kî-tiong chit-kái kèng-jiân ū-lâng siūⁿ-tio̍h OpenStreetMap–ah

頭起先來講逐家攏知,全臺迵知的Google地圖。Google地圖予人創甲留無全屍,基本上是一陣人去大量改,真簡單予人改好顯示到地圖頂懸,你會當看著各種歹聽的名號出現矣。賴清德、馬文君、謝衣鳳、柯文哲的爭議所在予人標示。

Thâu-khí-sian ta̍k-ke lóng-chai, choân-tâi thàng-chai ê Google tōe-tô͘. Google tōe-tô͘ hō͘-lâng chhòng kah lâu-bô choân-si, ki-pún-siōng sī chi̍t-tīn-lâng khì tōa-liōng kái, chin kan-tan hō͘-lâng kái=hó hián-sī kàu tōe-tô͘ téng-koân, lí ē-tàng khòaⁿ-tio̍h kok-chióng pháiⁿ-thiaⁿ ê miâ-hō chhut-hiān–ah. Lōa Chheng-tek, Má Bûn-kun, Chiā I-hōng, Koa Bûn-tiat ê cheng-gī só͘-chai hō͘-lâng piau-sī.

OpenStreetMap欲申請口座是真簡單,凊彩畫加添假的資料嘛是會用得,毋過有社群佇咧守護地圖的資料,真緊予恢復轉來矣。社群有討論欲按怎來編輯,凡勢有照on the ground原則編輯就會使矣。台灣的社群OpenStreetMap Taiwan teh 守護圖資,莫予人烏白來是做甲足讚的!

OpenStreetMap boeh sin-chhéng kháu-chō sī chin kan-tan, chhìn-chhái ōe sīm-chì ka-thiam ké–ê chu-liāu mā-sī ē-ēng-tit, m̄-koh ū siā-kûn tī-teh siú-hō͘ tōe-tô͘ ê chu-liāu, chin-kín hō͘ hoe-ho̍k tńg–lâi–ah. Siā-kûn ū thó-lūn boeh án-chóaⁿ lâi pian-chip, hoān-sè ū-chiàu on the ground goân-chek pian-chip tō ē-sái–ah. Tâi-oân ê siā-kûn OpenStreetMap Taiwan chiok-chàn–ê!

聽講中文維基百科嘛有人想欲寫賴清德祖厝戲弄的名號賴皮寮,欲創條目予人擋掉,嘛有想等自動確認用戶的身份提著了後繼續,真正害,毋知袂當按呢做的原因。

Thiaⁿ-kóng Tiong-bûn Ûi-ki Pah-kho mā-ū-lâng siūⁿ-boeh siá Lōa Chheng-tek chó͘-chhù hí-láng ê miâ-hō Lōa-phôe-liâu, boeh chhòng tiâu-bo̍k hō͘-lâng tóng–tiāu, mā ū siūⁿ tán chū-tōng khak-jīn iōng-hō͘ ê sin-hūn the̍h-tio̍h liáu-āu kè-siok, chin-chiàⁿ hāi, m̄-chai bōe-tàng án-ni chòe ê goan-in.

選舉相關爭議佮地圖編輯整理列表,落尾佇論壇發文

Soán-kí siong-koan cheng-gī kah tōe-tô͘ pian-chip chéng-lí lia̍t-pió, lo̍h-bé tī lūn-tôaⁿ hoat-bûn:

  • 黃國昌汐止停車場(25.05489,121.65689):有note有繪製
  • 賴清德萬里礦區舊厝(25.17086,121.67610):有note有建築繪製、有戲弄的興趣點(予人移除矣)
  • 馬文君埔里別莊(23.9717100, 120.9544100):有note猶未繪製
  • 謝衣鳳溪洲別莊(23.8531417, 120.4923108):有note有繪製
  • 柯文哲新竹農地遊覽車停車場(24.8034000, 121.0058000):有note猶未繪製

  • N̂g Kok-chhiong Se̍k-chí thêng-chhia-tiûⁿ (25.05489,121.65689): ū note ū hōe-chè
  • Lōa Chheng-tek Bān-lí khòng-khu kū-chhù (25.17086,121.67610): ū note ū kiàn-tiok hōe-chè, ū hí-láng ê hèng-chhù-tiám (hō͘-lâng î-tû–ah)
  • Ma Bûn-kun Po͘-lí pia̍t-chong (23.9717100, 120.9544100): ū note iah-bē hōe-chè
  • Chiā I-hōng Khe-chiu pia̍t-chong (23.8531417, 120.4923108): ū note ū hōe-chè
  • Koa Bûn-tiat Sin-tek lông-tōe iû-lám-chhia thêng-chhia-tiûⁿ (24.8034000, 121.0058000): ū note iah-bē hōe-chè

對地圖編輯的狀況來看,針對賴清德的攻擊較惡意,嘛創無存在的興趣點。其他攏是看著新聞去標示違規抑是爭議的利用的所在。

Tùi tōe-tô͘ ê chōng-hóng lâi khòaⁿ, chiam-tùi Lōa Chheng-tek ê kong-kek khah ok-ì, mā chhòng bô chûn-chāi ê hèng-chhù-tiám. Kî-thaⁿ lóng-sī khòaⁿ-tio̍h sin-bûn khì piau-sī ûi-kui ia̍h-sī cheng-gī ê lī-iōng ê só͘-chai.

其實,臺灣遮真濟所在的土地利用佇OpenStreetMap頂懸猶未畫,嘛毋免講較細膩的住宅區、庄頭聚落,內底的建築嘛是猶未畫。一般來講,OpenStreetMap是欲對較闊的物件開始畫,親像講整體的土地利用,森林、住宅區,大條的街仔路、社區重要的設施,閣來才是一棟一棟的樓仔厝,商家,落尾有才調才是來處理地址的部份。

Kî-si̍t, Tâi-oân chia chin-chōe só͘-chai ê thô͘-tōe lī-iōng tī OpenStreetMap téng-koân iah-bē ōe, mā m̄-bián kóng khah sòe-lī ê chū-the̍h-khu, chng-thâu chū-lo̍h, lāi-tóe ê kiàn-tiok mā-sī iah-bē ōe. It-poaⁿ lâi kóng, OpenStreetMap sī boeh tùi khah-khoah ê mn̍gh-kiāⁿ khai-sí ōe chhin-chhiūⁿ kóng chéng-thé ê thô͘-tōe lī-iōng, sim-lîm, chū-the̍h-khu, tōa-tiâu ê koe-á-lō͘, siā-khu tiōng-iàu ê siat-si, koh-lâi chiah-sī chi̍t-tòng-chi̍t-tòng ê lâu-á-chhù, siong-ka, lo̍h-bé ū-châi-tiāu chiah-sī lâi chhú-lí tōe-chí ê pō͘-hūn.

萬里區中幅仔賴清德舊厝附近有一寡無正常的編輯,新北市政府無釋出地址的開放資料,除非有人去當地實地看覓,應該是無法度合OpenStreetMap袂使抄別的地圖的資料的規則,加添建築遐的地址有憢疑,照上嚴格的歐洲人的標準,為著莫有資料庫權利佮授權汙染的問題,上好愛共看別的地圖加添的資料移除予清氣。

Bān-lí-khu Tiong-hok-á Lōa Chheng-tek kū-chhù hù-kūn ū-chi̍t-kóa bô chèng-siông ê pian-chip, Sin-pak-chhī-chèng-hú bô sek-chhut tōe-chí ê khai-hòng chu-liāu, tû-hui ū-lâng khì tong-tōe si̍t-tōe khòaⁿ-māi, eng-kai sī bô-hoat-tō͘ ha̍p OpenStreetMap bōe-sái chhiau pat-ê tōe-tô͘ ê chu-liāu ê kui-chek, ka-thiam kiàn-tiok hia-ê tōe-chí ū-giâu-gî, chiàu siōng giâm-keh ê Au-chiu-lâng ê piau-chún, ūi-tio̍h mài ū chu-liāu-khò͘ khoân-lī kah siū-koân u-jiám ê būn-tê, siōng-hó ài kā khòaⁿ pa̍t–ê tōe-tô͘ ka-thiam ê chu-liāu î-tû hō͘ chheng-khì

趁這个逐家關心土地利用是毋是合法的時陣,有逐家濟濟參與的OpenStreetMap土地利用、建築畫較濟,咱社會會當有基礎的資料會當來討論。萬里區倚近濱海公路,較鬧熱的所在攏無好好共畫甲完整,去一个廢棄礦區,嘛無啥居民蹛的所在畫,心態真無正確,毋是為著OpenStreetMap計畫的發展來貢獻,心內動機予人質疑。

Thàn chit-ê ta̍k-ke koàn-sì thô͘-tōe lī-iōng sī-m̄-sī ha̍p-hoat ê sî-chūn, ū ta̍k-ke chōe-chōe chham-ú ê OpenStreetMap thô͘-tōe lī-iōng, kiàn-tiok ōe khah chōe, lán siā-hōe ē-tàng ū ki-chhó͘ ê chu-liāu ē-tàng lâi thó-lūn. Bān-lí-khu óa-kūn pin-hái kong-lō͘, khah nāu-jia̍t ê só͘-chai lóng bô hó-hó kā ōe kah oân-chéng, khì chi̍t-ê hòe-khì khòng-khu, mā bô-siáⁿ ku-bîn tòa ê só͘-chai ōe, sim-thài chin bô chèng-khak, m̄-sī ūi-tio̍h OpenStreetMap kè-ōe ê hoat-tián lâi kòng-hiàn, sim-lāi tōng-ki hō͘-lâng chit-gî.

Location: 古厝, 萬里區, 新北市, 207, 臺灣

本文章同時提供 English version 以及台文版本

最近台灣成為新聞與地綠政治的熱門話題。最近看到臺灣 BBS 站 PTT 討論步兵期刊由步兵訓練指揮部軍官所寫的屏東南邊的防禦計畫的文章

大概是地圖因為上有敏感的內容,所以需要霧化模糊處理,不過綠色的森林區域相當顯目,文章當中的軍圖底圖的確是 OpenStreetMap 沒錯。需要感謝辛苦花自己時間,在 OpenStreetMap 上畫臺灣森林的圖客。

最近有越來越多的服務、開發者、組織,甚至政府單位,例如今年在臺北舉行的臺灣燈會,網站是採用 OpenStreetMap。社群已經懶得記錄有那些站了,不過希望 OpenStreetMap 在臺灣有越來越多的應用情境。

Location: 後塭子, 嘉蓮里, 東港鎮, 屏東縣, 928, 臺灣

步兵期刊 ê 文章用 OpenStreetMap 當做底圖

Posted by Supaplex on 28 March 2023 in Chinese (中文). Last updated on 8 April 2023.

本文章同時嘛有提供 English version kah 台灣華語版本

最近台灣 sī 新聞 kah 地綠政治 ê 熱門話題。最近看著臺灣 BBS 站 PTT 佇咧討論步兵期刊步兵訓練指揮部軍官所寫 ê 屏東南爿 ê 防禦計畫ê文章

準做地圖因為 ū 敏感 ê 內容,所以 ài 霧霧處理,毋過青色 ê 森林傷影目–ah,文章當中 ê 軍圖底圖 sī 真真正正 ê OpenStreetMap 無毋著。bueh 感謝辛苦做議量 ê OpenStreetMap 貢獻者 ê 時間畫臺灣 ê 森林。

最近愈來愈濟 ê 服務、開發者、組織,甚至政府單位親像 tī 臺北舉行 ê 臺灣燈會網站,攏咧用 OpenStreetMap,咱已經貧惰記錄–ah。向望 OpenStreetMap tī 臺灣 ū 愈來愈濟 ê 應用場景。

Location: 後塭子, 嘉蓮里, 東港鎮, 屏東縣, 928, 臺灣

OpenStreetMap used as based map in Taiwan Infantry Period articles

Posted by Supaplex on 28 March 2023 in English. Last updated on 29 March 2023.

This article is also available in Taiwanese Hokkien / Taigi (台文)

Taiwan is quite a hot topic in the news and geo-political discussion. Recently I read an thead discussing defense plans in the southern part of Pingtong by Taiwan Infantry Command officers on Taiwan BBS PTT military board.

Even though maps are blurred due to the detailed map might have some sensitive military information, it can easily be recognized by the green forest area, that the based maps they use are actually OpenStreetMap. Thanks to the hard-working OpenStreetMap mappers that keep drawing forests in Taiwan.

There are more services, developers, organizations, and even government agencies using OpenStreetMap as based map recently. And the 2023 Taiwan Lantern Festival was held in Taipei, and their website also is using OpenStreetMap as the base map. The community in Taiwan is lazy to keep track of those use cases. We hope there are more interesting OpenStreetMap use cases in Taiwan.

Location: Houwenzi, Jialian Village, Dongang, Pingtung County, 928, Taiwan

本文章同時嘛有提供 English version華語版本

開放街圖臺灣社群(OpenStreetMap 臺灣社群)誠歡喜爭取到維基媒體基金會的聯盟補助,主要欲買兩台 Insta360 One X2 翕相機(佮相關的配件),猶閣有規劃對2022年3月開始,一直到2023年2月的街景踏查團佮對應的編輯工作坊活動。咱欲辦理六擺實地踏查佮至少六擺的編輯工作坊。社群成員欲共360翕相機囥佇汽車車頂,若開車若翕360相片,翕猶未翕著街景的所在。翕了後佇咧電腦前,閣來若看翕的相片,若編輯 OpenStreetMap 共編地圖添加資料,猶有共路途中間經過的景緻佮在庄聚落,共相關相片上傳到 Wiki Commons 多媒體站。

Khai-hóng Kue-tôo Tâi-uân Siā-kûn(OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân Siā-kûn)tsiânn huann-hí tsing-tshú kàu Uî-ki Muî-thé Ki-kim-huē ê Liân-bîng Póo-tsōo, tsú-iàu bueh bué nn̄g-tâi Insta360 One X2 hip-siòng-ki (Kah siong-kuan ê phuè-kiānn), iáu-koh-ū kui-uē tuì 2022-nî 3–ge̍h khai-sí, it-ti̍t kàu 2023-nî 2–ge̍h ê kue-kíng tah-tshâ-thuân kah tuì-ìng ê pian-tsi̍p kang-tsok-hong ua̍h-tōng. Lán-bueh pān-lí la̍k-pái si̍t-tuē tah-tsâ kah tsì-tsió la̍k-pái ê pian-tsi̍p kang-tsok-hong. Siā-kûn sîng-uân bueh kā 360 hip-siòng-ki khǹg tī khì-tshia tshia-tíng, nā khui-tshia nā hip 360 siòng-phìnn, hip iah-bē hip-tio̍h kue-kíng ê sóo-tsāi. hip liáu-āu tī tiān-náu tsîng, koh-lâi nā khuànn hip–ê siòng-phìnn, nā pian-tsi̍p OpenStreetMa kiōng pian tuē-tôo thiam-ka tsu-liāu, iáu-ū kā lōo-tôo tiong-kan king-kè ê kíng-tì kap tsāi-tsng tsu-lo̍h, kā siong-kuan siòng-phìnn siōng-thuân kàu Wiki Commons to-muî-thé-tsām.

這擺踏查團和頂擺行無仝的方向,頂擺是對北海岸(主要是基隆、金山、萬里)的方向行,毋過這擺是對鶯歌、三峽、大溪的方向翕相,和頂擺無仝,這擺是三台車的出發地點攏無仝(筆者駕駛的車是對和運租車新店站出發的,佇出發進前嘛發見路對面的新店區公所站二號出口猶未翕過,所以就順手翕一張囥佇 Wikimedia Commons頂懸)。

Tsit-pái tah-tsha-thuân hām tíng-pái kiânn bô-kâng ê hong-hiòng, tíng-pái sī tuì Pak-hái-huānn (tsú-iàu sī Ke-lâng, Kim-san, Bān-lí) ê hong-hiòng kiânn, m̄-koh tsit-pái sī tuì Ing-ko,Sam-kiap, Tāi-khe ê hong-hiòng hip-siòng, hām tíng-pái bô-kâng, tsit-pái sī sann-tâi-tshia ê tshut-huat tuē-tiám lóng bô-kâng (pit-tsiá ká-sú ê tshia sī tuì Hô-ūn Tsoo-tshia Sin-tiàm-tsām tshut-huat ê, tī tshut-huat tsìn-tsîng mā huat-kìnn lōo tuì-bīn ê Sin-tiàm Khu-kong-sóo tsām 2-hō tshut-kháu iah-bē hi̍p–kè, sóo-í tō sūn-tshiú hip tsi̍t-tiunn khǹg tī Wikimedia Commons 頂懸).

新店區公所站二號出口
新店區公所站二號出口|Sin-tiàm Khu-kong-sóo tsām 2-hō tshut-kháu

行車的路線嘛攏無仝(毋過中間抑是有設立會合點,是佇三峽白雞山的行脩宮)。

Kiânn-tshia ê lōo-suànn mā lóng bô-kâng (m̄-koh tiong-kan ia̍h-sī ū siat-li̍p huē-ha̍p-tiám, sī tī Sam-kiap Pe̍h-kue-suann ê Hîng-siu-kiong).

三峽行脩宮
三峽行脩宮|Sam-kiap Hîng-siu-kiong

毋過親像頂擺的街景踏查團仝款,這改出門抑是發見一寡執行上的小可仔問題,親像是360相機看起來是愛直接鎖佇車用吸盤上,袂使閣加自翕棒架懸,猶若會因為自翕棒重量的關係予相機斜倒,相片翕的角度無正確,猶閣有就是……出發進前愛會記得共記憶卡內的物件攏總紲出來,抑若無路途中間愛停落來刣相片XD。

M̄-koh tshin-tshiūnn tíng-pái ê kue-kíng tah-tshâ-thuân kâng-khuán, tsit-kái tshut-mn̂g ia̍h-sī huat-kiàn tsi̍t-kuá tsip-hîng-siōng ê sió-khuá-á būn-tê, tshin-tshiūnn sī 360 siòng-ki khuànn-khí-lâi sī ài ti̍t-tsiap só tī tshia-iōng khip-puânn siōng, buē-sái koh-ka tsū-hip-pāng kè-kuân, iah-nā-ē in-uī tsū-hip-pāng tāng-liōng ê kuan-hē hōo siòng-ki tshiâ-tó, siòng-phìnn hip-ê kak-tōo bô-tsìng-khak, iáu-koh-ū tō-sī……tshut-huat tsìn-tsîng ài-ē-kì-tit kā kì-i-khah lâi ê mn̍gh-kiānn lóng-tsóng suà-tshut-lâi, iah-nā-bô lōo-tôo tiong-kan ài thîng-lo̍h-lâi thâi siòng-phìnn XD.

這擺街景踏查團佇維基媒體計畫的追蹤用 Dashboard,OpenStreetMap 編輯會當佇看會著。

Tsi̍t-pái Kue-kíng Ta̍h-tshâ-thuân tī Uî-ki Muî-thé Kè-uē ê tui-tsong iōng Dashboard, OpenStreetMap pian-tsi̍p ē-tàng tī tsia khuànn-ē-tio̍h.

有關聯盟補助的代誌

2021年第四季時,維基媒體基金會公佈新的補助方案:維基媒體聯盟補助,這項補助會資助佮維基媒體計畫有關的專案,毋過並毋是各地的維基媒體自治體提出的提案。

iú-kuan liân-bîng póo-tsōo ê tāi-tsì

2021-nî tē-4-kuì sî,Uî-ki Muî-thé Ki-kim-huē kong-pòo sin-ê póo-tsōo hong-àn: Uî-ki Muî-thé Liân-bîng póo-tsōo, tsit-hāng póo-tsōo ē tsàn-tsōo kah Uî-ki Muî-thé kè-uē iú-kuan ê tsuan-àn, m̄-koh pīng m̄-sī kok-tuē ê Uî-ki Muî-thé tsū-tī-thé the̍h-tshut ê thê-àn.

有關 OpenStreetMap 臺灣的代誌

OpenStreetMap 臺灣由臺灣關心投入 OpenStreetMap 的編輯者構成,自 2010 年開始對個人獨編輯變成集合閣較濟人參與的共編地圖專案的在地社群。目前佇臺灣有佇台北佮 Wikidata 社群共同舉行 OpenStreetMap x Wikidata 月聚,嘛有不定期的踏查活動。

iú-kuan OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân ê tāi-tsì

OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân iû Tâi-uân kuan-sim tâu-ji̍p OpenStreetMap ê pian-tsi̍p-tsiá kòo-sîng, tsū 2010-nî khai-sí tuì kò-jîn to̍k pian-tsi̍p piàn-sîng tsi̍p-ha̍p koh-khah tsuē lâng tsham-ú ê kiōng-pian tuē-tôo tsuan-àn ê tsāi-tuē siā-kûn. Bo̍k-tsîng tī Tâi-uân ū tī Tâi-pak kah Wikidata siā-kûn kiōng-tông kú-hîng OpenStreetMap x Wikidata ge̍h-tsū, mā-ū put-tīng-kî ê tah-tshâ ua̍h-tōng.

本文感謝 Supaplex 協助校對並翻譯台文版本,英文版是 assanges 翻譯,全部文章用姓名標示-相同方式分享 4.0 國際授權。

Pún-bûn kám-siā Supaplex hia̍p-tsōo kàu-tuì pīng huan-i̍k Tâi-bûn pán-pún, Ing-bûn pán sī assanges huan-i̍k, tsuân-pōo bûn-tsiong iōng sìng-bîng piáu-sī-kâng-khuán hong-sik hun-hióng 4.0 kok-tsè siū-khuân.

Location: 竹崙, 三峽區, 新北市, 23743, 臺灣

2nd Mapping workshop in MozTW Space Taipei ▲ 第二擺的工作坊的相片

本文嘛有 Taiwanese Mandarin (台灣華語) 英文 / English 版本


著,你無看毋著,頂擺是第一擺的街景踏查團,毋過這擺是第二擺的編輯工作坊,你敢好玄為何毋是第一擺的編輯工作坊,這……講起來話頭長,莫佇遮寫好啦XD,看頂擺的日記猶是有法度看會出來,抑是佇聚會時來共咱開講。

Tio̍h, lí bô khuànn-m̄-tio̍h, tíng-pái sī Tē-it-pái ê kue-kíng tah-tsâ-thuân, m̄-koh tsit-pái sī tē-jī-pái ê pian-tsi̍p kang-tsok-hong, lí kám hònn-hiân uī-hô m̄-sī tē-it-pái ê pian-tsi̍p kang-tsok-hong, tse……kóng-khí-lâi uē-thâu-tn̂g, mài tī tsia siá hó–lah XD, khuànn tíng-pái ê ji̍t-kì 猶是 ū-huat-tōo khuànn-ē–tshut-lâi, ia̍h-sī tī tsū-huē sī lâi kā lán khai-káng.

是講,自頂擺的街景踏查團 ~~(公費旅行團)~~ 了後,開放街圖臺灣社群(OpenStreetMap 臺灣社群)佇2022年5月22號佇摩茲工寮舉辦用來編輯街景踏查團收集到資料的工作坊。毋過台灣疫情因素,予實體活動的參與人數變真少,嘛仝步影響這擺第二擺工作坊出席人數。毋過猶是有兩位地理老師來到現場。

A big shout-out to the enthusiastic geography teachers! ▲ 熱情的地理老師來參加活動!

sī-kóng, tsū tíng-pái ê kue-kíng tah-tsâ-thuân ~~(kong-huì lú-hîng-thuân)~~ liáu-āu, Khai-hóng kue-tôo Tâi-uân siā-kûn(OpenStreetMap Taiwan) tī 2022-nî 5-ge̍h 22-hō tī Moz kang-liâu kú-pān iōng-lâi pian-tsi̍p kue-kíng tah-tsâ-thuân siu-tsi̍p kàu tsu-liāu ê kang-tsok-hong. M̄-koh Tâi-uân i̍k-tsîng in-sòo, hōo si̍t-thé ua̍h-tōng ê tsham-ú jîn-sòo piàn tsin-tsio, mā kâng-pōo íng-hióng tsit-pái tē-jī-pái kang-tsok-hong tshut-si̍k jîn-sòo. M̄-koh iáu-sī ū nn̄g-uī tuē-lí lāu-su lâi-kàu hiān-tiûnn.

頭起先紹介 OpenStreetMap 佮 Wikidata(仝場加映 MapillaryKartaView 等等其他維基媒體專案的紹介),閣來主持人之一的 Supaplex 現場示範利用踏查團翕的 Mapillary 360 影像佇 OpenStreetMap 繪製佇新店央北重劃區內的超商門市,閣有對 Mapillary 下載相片並且上傳到維基共享資源,閣來佇 Wikidata 上新增新北市青年社會住宅的新項目。

The National Human Rights Museum ▲ 國家人權博物館的 360 相片

Thâu-khí-sing siāu-kài OpenStreetMap kah Wikidata (kâng-tiûnn ka-ìng Mapillary kah KartaView tíng-tíng kî-thá Uî-ki muî-thé tsuan-àn ê siāu-kài), koh-lâi tsú-tshî-jîn tsi-it ê Supaplex hiān-tiûnn sī-huān lī-iōng tah-tsâ-thuân hip ê Mapillary 360 iánn-siōng tī OpenStreetmap uē-tsè tī Sin-tiàm Iong-pak Tîng-uē-khu lāi ê tshiau-siong mn̂g-tshī, koh-u tuì Mapillary hā-tsài siòng-phìnn pīng-tshiánn siōng-thuân kàu Uî-ki Kiōng-hiáng Tsu-guân, koh-lâi tī Wikidata siōng sin-tsing Sin-pak-tshī Tshing-liân Siā-huē Tsū-the̍h ê sin-hāng-bo̍k.

紹介佮示範了後開放現場參與者自由編輯以上提到的網站內容,編輯過程當中嘛發現一寡共 360 相片相關的問題,比如講維基共享資源愛另外加添 {{pano360}} 模板才會當完整辨識 360 相機翕的相片,閣來 KartaView 佇上傳 360 照片時愛佇上傳指令加上一寡選項才會當其正常辨識。

Coffee Bouth

咱期待要閣調整講解難度佮減少講解內容,偏向閣較實作型的教學,有問題閣再提出來。頭前講師簡單講完本次任務了後,多位資深編輯手把手協助新手完成工作事項。

咱嘛歡迎隨時線頂運用四月踏查成果,看街景圖佇咧電腦上添加看到的商家抑是住宅建案。台灣數一數二的重量級貢獻者 littlebtc 工作坊當天無法度來參加,伊是增加完成央北重劃區的建案,猶有後續央北二期的計畫道路繪製工課。

road trip

第一擺街景踏查團翕的相片,佮這擺編輯工作坊的相關成果會當佇後尾清單看著:

當然矣,工作坊當天的影像紀錄嘛袂少。此外,後擺的踏查團佇2022年6月19日舉辦,歡迎大家鬥陣來參與!

有關聯盟補助的代誌

2021年第四季時,維基媒體基金會公佈新的補助方案:維基媒體聯盟補助,這項補助會資助佮維基媒體計畫有關的專案,毋過並毋是各地的維基媒體自治體提出的提案。

iú-kuan liân-bîng póo-tsōo ê tāi-tsì

2021-nî tē-4-kuì sî,Uî-ki Muî-thé Ki-kim-huē kong-pòo sin-ê póo-tsōo hong-àn: Uî-ki Muî-thé Liân-bîng póo-tsōo, tsit-hāng póo-tsōo ē tsàn-tsōo kah Uî-ki Muî-thé kè-uē iú-kuan ê tsuan-àn, m̄-koh pīng m̄-sī kok-tuē ê Uî-ki Muî-thé tsū-tī-thé the̍h-tshut ê thê-àn.

有關 OpenStreetMap 臺灣的代誌

OpenStreetMap 臺灣由臺灣關心投入 OpenStreetMap 的編輯者構成,自 2010 年開始對個人獨編輯變成集合閣較濟人參與的共編地圖專案的在地社群。目前佇臺灣有佇台北佮 Wikidata 社群共同舉行 OpenStreetMap x Wikidata 月聚,嘛有不定期的踏查活動。

iú-kuan OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân ê tāi-tsì

OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân iû Tâi-uân kuan-sim tâu-ji̍p OpenStreetMap ê pian-tsi̍p-tsiá kòo-sîng, tsū 2010-nî khai-sí tuì kò-jîn to̍k pian-tsi̍p piàn-sîng tsi̍p-ha̍p koh-khah tsuē lâng tsham-ú ê kiōng-pian tuē-tôo tsuan-àn ê tsāi-tuē siā-kûn. Bo̍k-tsîng tī Tâi-uân ū tī Tâi-pak kah Wikidata siā-kûn kiōng-tông kú-hîng OpenStreetMap x Wikidata ge̍h-tsū, mā-ū put-tīng-kî ê tah-tshâ ua̍h-tōng.

本文感謝 Supaplex 協助校對並翻譯台文版本,英文版是 assanges 翻譯,全部文章用姓名標示-相同方式分享 4.0 國際授權。

Pún-bûn kám-siā Supaplex hia̍p-tsōo kàu-tuì pīng huan-i̍k Tâi-bûn pán-pún, Ing-bûn pán sī assanges huan-i̍k, tsuân-pōo bûn-tsiong iōng sìng-bîng piáu-sī-kâng-khuán hong-sik hun-hióng 4.0 kok-tsè siū-khuân.

Location: 光華商場, 梅花里, 中正區, 華山, 臺北市, 100013, 臺灣

臺文漢字版本

開放街圖臺灣社群(OpenStreetMap 臺灣社群)誠歡喜爭取到維基媒體基金會的聯盟補助,主要欲買兩台 Insta360 One X2 相機(佮相關的配件),猶閣有規劃對2022年3月開始,一直到2023年2月的街景踏查團佮對應的編輯工作坊活動。咱欲辦理六擺實地踏查佮至少六擺的編輯工作坊。社群成員欲共360相機囥佇汽車車頂,若開車若翕360相片,翕猶未翕著街景的所在。翕了後佇咧電腦前,閣來若看翕的相片,若編輯 OpenStreetMap 共編地圖添加資料,猶有共路途中間經過的景緻佮在庄聚落,共相關相片上傳到 Wiki Commons 多媒體站。

社群頭起先佇2022年3月19號先佇台北的摩茲工寮舉辦踏查團的前導工作坊,頂個月(也就是2022年4月)24號舉辦第一改的街景踏查團,佇咧取車抑是自駕到位時,先佇咧央北重劃區安裝翕相機佮試翕,4台車攏總11个人出發欲去基隆、金山、萬里等行政區,其中翕國道三號部份欠缺街景的路段。路途當中佇仙洞隧道歇停,毋過干焦翕磅空兩爿的磅空口,磅空本體目前是無法度入去的。閣來一陣人分做去仙洞巖佮迴車塔。仙洞嚴彼組是入去廟內的一線天,不而過燈火較暗翕的效果無蓋好。迴車塔彼組是翕台灣較罕得看的人工車道斜坡。後來咱去大武崙漁港附近會合,歇睏時補充熱量佮水份,仝一个時間觀察週末的海沙埔佇疫情影響之下,嘛是有足濟民眾佇海沙埔耍水。

中晝佮下晡時間去金山老街等所在踅踅,佇水尾漁港揣食的佮踏查取材。猶有到金山老街品嘗芋圓美味了後,閣兵分多路轉去台北。

OpenStreetMap 台灣預計佇本月(2022年5月)22號仝款佇摩茲工寮舉辦第一次的街景踏查團編輯工作坊,活動當中會利用事先上傳到 Mapillary、KartaView 等開放的街景網站的相片來編輯 OpenStreetMap(變更集將會帶有 #streetsurveyTW 主題標籤),嘛會對翕的相片當中揀選部份景點抑是維基媒體計畫中無照片或當地相片真舊猶未更新,共新翕的相片上傳到維基共享資源,仝時嘛會當利用上傳到維基共享資源的相片來編寫維基百科、維基導遊抑是維基數據等維基媒體專案。歡迎有興趣的人報名參與!

咱向望開放街圖佮維基媒體等等開放內容的計畫會當愈來愈好,產出閣較濟高品質的資料!

有關聯盟補助的代誌

2021年第四季時,維基媒體基金會公佈新的補助方案:維基媒體聯盟補助,這項補助會資助佮維基媒體計畫有關的專案,毋過並毋是各地的維基媒體自治體提出的提案。

有關 OpenStreetMap 臺灣的代誌

OpenStreetMap 臺灣由臺灣關心投入 OpenStreetMap 的編輯者構成,自 2010 年開始對個人獨編輯變成集合閣較濟人參與的共編地圖專案的在地社群。目前佇臺灣有佇台北佮 Wikidata 社群共同舉行 OpenStreetMap x Wikidata 月聚,嘛有不定期的踏查活動。

本文感謝 Supaplex 協助校對並翻譯成台文版,英文版由 assanges 翻譯,並以姓名標示-相同方式分享 4.0 國際授權。

Tâi-lô pán-pún

Khai-hóng Kue-tôo Tâi-uân Siā-kûn(OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân Siā-kûn)tsiânn huann-hí tsing-tshú kàu Uî-ki Muî-thé Ki-kim-huē ê Liân-bîng Póo-tsōo, tsú-iàu bueh bué nn̄g-tâi Insta360 One X2 hip-siòng-ki (Kah siong-kuan ê phuè-kiānn), iáu-koh-ū kui-uē tuì 2022-nî 3–ge̍h khai-sí, it-ti̍t kàu 2023-nî 2–ge̍h ê kue-kíng tah-tshâ-thuân kah tuì-ìng ê pian-tsi̍p kang-tsok-hong ua̍h-tōng. Lán-bueh pān-lí la̍k-pái si̍t-tuē tah-tsâ kah tsì-tsió la̍k-pái ê pian-tsi̍p kang-tsok-hong. Siā-kûn sîng-uân bueh kā 360 hip-siòng-ki khǹg tī khì-tshia tshia-tíng, nā khui-tshia nā hip 360 siòng-phìnn, hip iah-bē hip-tio̍h kue-kíng ê sóo-tsāi. hip liáu-āu tī tiān-náu tsîng, koh-lâi nā khuànn hip–ê siòng-phìnn, nā pian-tsi̍p OpenStreetMa kiōng pian tuē-tôo thiam-ka tsu-liāu, iáu-ū kā lōo-tôo tiong-kan king-kè ê kíng-tì kap tsāi-tsng tsu-lo̍h, kā siong-kuan siòng-phìnn siōng-thuân kàu Wiki Commons to-muî-thé-tsām.

Siā-kûn thâu-khí-sing tī 2022-nî 3–ge̍h 19-hō sian tī Tâi-pak ê MozSpac kú-pān tah-tsâ-thuân ê tsîng-tō kang-tsok-hong, tíng-kò-ge̍h (iā tio̍h-sī 2022-nî 4–ge̍h) 24-hō kú-pān tē-it-kái ê kue-kíng tah-tsâ-thuân, tī-teh tshú-tshia ia̍h-sī tsū-kà kàu-uī liáu-āu, sian tī-teh Iong-pak tíng-uē-khu an-tsong hip-siòng-ki kah tshì-hip, 4-tâi tshia lóng-tsóng 11-ê-lâng tshut-huat bueh-khì Ke-lâng、bān-lí、kim-san tíng hîng-tsìng-khu, kî-tiong hip Kok-tō 3-hō pōo-hūn khiàm-khuat kue-kíng ê lōo-tuānn. lōo-tôo tang-tiong tī Sian-tōng Pōng-khang hio̍h-thîng, m̄-koh kan-na hip pōng-khang nn̄g-pîng ê pōng-khang-kháu,pōng-khang pún-thé bo̍k-tsîng sī bô-huat-tōo ji̍p-khì–ê. Koh-lâi tsit-tīn-lâng hun-tsuè-khì Sian-tōng-giâm kah huê-tshia-thah. Sian-tōng-giâm hit-tsoosī ji̍p-khì biō-lāi ê tsi̍t-suànn-thinn, put-jî-kò lāi-tué ê ting-hé khah-àm, hip ê hāu-kó bô-kài-hó. Huê-tshia-thah hit-tsoo sī hip Tâi-uân khah hán-tit-khuànn ê jîn-kang tshia-tō tshiâ-pho. Āu-lâi lán-khì Tuā-bú-lūn Hîr-gáng hù-kūn huē-ha̍p, hioh-khùn sî póo-tshiong jia̍t-liōng kah tsuí-hūn, kâng-tsi̍t-ê sî-kan kuan-tshat tsiu-bua̍h ê hái-sua-poo tī i̍k-tsîng íng-hióng tsi-hā, mā-sī ū tsiok-tsuē bîn-tsiòng tī hái-sua-poo sńg-tsuí.

Tiong-tàu kah ē-poo sî-kan khì Kim-san Lāu-kue tíng sóo-tsāi se̍h-se̍h–leh, tī Tsuí-bué Hîr-káng tshē tsia̍h-ê kah tah-tshâ tshú-tsâi. Iáu-ū kàu Kim-san Lāu-kue phín-siông Ōo-înn Bí-bī liáu-āu, koh ping-hun to-lōo tńg-khì Tâi-pak.

OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân ū-kè tī pún-ge̍h (2022-nî 5–ge̍h) 22-hō kâng-khuán tī MozSpce kú-pān tē-it-pái ê kue-kíng tah-tshâ-thuân pian-tsi̍p kang-tsok-hong, ua̍h-tōng hit-kang ē lī-iōng sū-sian siōng-thuân kàu Mappillary, KartaView tíng khai-hòng ê kue-kíng bāng-tsām ê siòng-phìnn lâi pian-tsi̍p OpenStreetMap (piàn-king-tsi̍p tsiong-ē tài-ū #streetsurveyTW tsú-tê piau-tshiam), mā ē tuì hip-ê siòng-phìnn tang-tiong kíng-suán pōo-hūn kíng-tiám ia̍h-sī Uî-ki muî-thé kè-uē tiong bô siòng-phìnn ia̍h-sī tong-tuē siòng-phìnn tsin-kū iah-bē king-sin, kā sin hip ê siòng-phìnn siōng-thuân kàu Uî-ki Kiōng-hiáng tsu-guân, kâng-sî mā ē-tàng lī-iōng siōng-thuân kàu Uî-ki Kiōng-hiáng tsu-guân ê siòng-phìnn lâi pian-siá Uî-ki Pah-kho, Uî-ki Tō-iû ia̍h-sī Uî-ki sòo-kù tíng Uî-ki Muî-thé tsuan-àn. Huan-gîng ū hìng-tshù ê lâng pò-miâ tsham-ú!

Lán ǹg-bāng Khai-hòng Kue-tôo kah Uî-ki Muî-thé tíng-tíng khai-hòng luē-iông ê kè-uē ē-tàng jú-lâi-jú-hó, sán-tshut koh-khah tsuē ko-phín-tsit ê tsu-liāu!

iú-kuan liân-bîng póo-tsōo ê tāi-tsì

2021-nî tē-4-kuì sî,Uî-ki Muî-thé Ki-kim-huē kong-pòo sin-ê póo-tsōo hong-àn: Uî-ki Muî-thé Liân-bîng póo-tsōo, tsit-hāng póo-tsōo ē tsàn-tsōo kah Uî-ki Muî-thé kè-uē iú-kuan ê tsuan-àn, m̄-koh pīng m̄-sī kok-tuē ê Uî-ki Muî-thé tsū-tī-thé the̍h-tshut ê thê-àn.

iú-kuan OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân ê tāi-tsì

OpenStreetMap Tâi-uân iû Tâi-uân kuan-sim tâu-ji̍p OpenStreetMap ê pian-tsi̍p-tsiá kòo-sîng, tsū 2010-nî khai-sí tuì kò-jîn to̍k pian-tsi̍p piàn-sîng tsi̍p-ha̍p koh-khah tsuē lâng tsham-ú ê kiōng-pian tuē-tôo tsuan-àn ê tsāi-tuē siā-kûn. Bo̍k-tsîng tī Tâi-uân ū tī Tâi-pak kah Wikidata siā-kûn kiōng-tông kú-hîng OpenStreetMap x Wikidata ge̍h-tsū, mā-ū put-tīng-kî ê tah-tshâ ua̍h-tōng.

Pún-bûn kám-siā Supaplex hia̍p-tsōo kàu-tuì pīng huan-i̍k Tâi-bûn pán-pún, Ing-bûn pán sī assanges huan-i̍k, tsuân-pōo bûn-tsiong iōng sìng-bîng piáu-sī-kâng-khuán hong-sik hun-hióng 4.0 kok-tsè siū-khuân.

Pe̍h-ōe-jī pán-pún

Khai-hóng Koe-tô͘ Tâi-oân Siā-kûn(OpenStreetMap Tâi-oân Siā-kûn)chiâⁿ hoaⁿ-hí cheng-chhú kàu Ûi-ki Mûi-thé Ki-kim-hōe ê Liân-bêng Pó͘-chō͘, chú-iàu boeh bóe nn̄g-tâi Insta360 One X2 hip-siòng-ki (Kah siong-koan ê phòe-kiāⁿ), iáu-koh-ū kui-ōe tùi 2022-nî 3–ge̍h khai-sí, it-ti̍t kàu 2023-nî 2–ge̍h ê koe-kéng tah-chhâ-thoân kah tùi-èng ê pian-chi̍p kang-chok-hong oa̍h-tōng. Lán-boeh pān-lí la̍k-pái si̍t-tōe tah-châ kah chì-chió la̍k-pái ê pian-chi̍p kang-chok-hong. Siā-kûn sêng-oân boeh kā 360 hip-siòng-ki khǹg tī khì-chhia chhia-téng, nā khui-chhia nā hip 360 siòng-phìⁿ, hip iah-bē hip-tio̍h koe-kéng ê só͘-chāi. hip liáu-āu tī tiān-náu chêng, koh-lâi nā khòaⁿ hip–ê siòng-phìⁿ, nā pian-chi̍p OpenStreetMa kiōng pian tōe-tô͘ thiam-ka chu-liāu, iáu-ū kā lō͘-tô͘ tiong-kan keng-kè ê kéng-tì kap chāi-chng chu-lo̍h, kā siong-koan siòng-phìⁿ siōng-thoân kàu Wiki Commons to-mûi-thé-chām.

Siā-kûn thâu-khí-seng tī 2022-nî 3–ge̍h 19-hō sian tī Tâi-pak ê MozSpac kú-pān tah-châ-thoân ê chêng-tō kang-chok-hong, téng-kò-ge̍h (iā tio̍h-sī 2022-nî 4–ge̍h) 24-hō kú-pān tē-it-kái ê koe-kéng tah-châ-thoân, tī-teh chhú-chhia ia̍h-sī chū-kà kàu-ūi liáu-āu, sian tī-teh Iong-pak téng-ōe-khu an-chong hip-siòng-ki kah chhì-hip, 4-tâi chhia lóng-chóng 11-ê-lâng chhut-hoat boeh-khì Ke-lâng、bān-lí、kim-san téng hêng-chèng-khu, kî-tiong hip Kok-tō 3-hō pō͘-hūn khiàm-khoat koe-kéng ê lō͘-tōaⁿ. lō͘-tô͘ tang-tiong tī Sian-tōng Pōng-khang hio̍h-thêng, m̄-koh kan-na hip pōng-khang nn̄g-pêng ê pōng-khang-kháu,pōng-khang pún-thé bo̍k-chêng sī bô-hoat-tō͘ ji̍p-khì–ê. Koh-lâi chit-tīn-lâng hun-chòe-khì Sian-tōng-giâm kah hôe-chhia-thah. Sian-tōng-giâm hit-tsoosī ji̍p-khì biō-lāi ê chi̍t-sòaⁿ-thiⁿ, put-jî-kò lāi-tóe ê teng-hé khah-àm, hip ê hāu-kó bô-kài-hó. Hôe-chhia-thah hit-cho͘ sī hip Tâi-oân khah hán-tit-khòaⁿ ê jîn-kang chhia-tō chhiâ-pho. Āu-lâi lán-khì Tōa-bú-lūn Hîr-gáng hù-kūn hōe-ha̍p, hioh-khùn sî pó͘-chhiong jia̍t-liōng kah chúi-hūn, kâng-chi̍t-ê sî-kan koan-chhat chiu-boa̍h ê hái-soa-po͘ tī e̍k-chêng éng-hióng chi-hā, mā-sī ū chiok-chōe bîn-chiòng tī hái-soa-po͘ sńg-chúi.

Tiong-tàu kah ē-po͘ sî-kan khì Kim-san Lāu-koe téng só͘-chāi se̍h-se̍h–leh, tī Chúi-bóe Hîr-káng chhē chia̍h-ê kah tah-chhâ chhú-châi. Iáu-ū kàu Kim-san Lāu-koe phín-siông Ō͘-îⁿ Bí-bī liáu-āu, koh peng-hun to-lō͘ tńg-khì Tâi-pak.

OpenStreetMap Tâi-oân ū-kè tī pún-ge̍h (2022-nî 5–ge̍h) 22-hō kâng-khoán tī MozSpce kú-pān tē-it-pái ê koe-kéng tah-chhâ-thoân pian-chi̍p kang-chok-hong, oa̍h-tōng hit-kang ē lī-iōng sū-sian siōng-thoân kàu Mappillary, KartaView téng khai-hòng ê koe-kéng bāng-chām ê siòng-phìⁿ lâi pian-chi̍p OpenStreetMap (piàn-keng-chi̍p chiong-ē tài-ū #streetsurveyTW chú-tê piau-chhiam), mā ē tùi hip-ê siòng-phìⁿ tang-tiong kéng-soán pō͘-hūn kéng-tiám ia̍h-sī Ûi-ki mûi-thé kè-ōe tiong bô siòng-phìⁿ ia̍h-sī tong-tōe siòng-phìⁿ chin-kū iah-bē keng-sin, kā sin hip ê siòng-phìⁿ siōng-thoân kàu Ûi-ki Kiōng-hiáng chu-goân, kâng-sî mā ē-tàng lī-iōng siōng-thoân kàu Ûi-ki Kiōng-hiáng chu-goân ê siòng-phìⁿ lâi pian-siá Ûi-ki Pah-kho, Ûi-ki Tō-iû ia̍h-sī Ûi-ki sò͘-kù téng Ûi-ki Mûi-thé choan-àn. Hoan-gêng ū hèng-chhù ê lâng pò-miâ chham-ú!

Lán ǹg-bāng Khai-hòng Koe-tô͘ kah Ûi-ki Mûi-thé téng-téng khai-hòng lōe-iông ê kè-ōe ē-tàng jú-lâi-jú-hó, sán-chhut koh-khah chōe ko-phín-chit ê chu-liāu!

iú-koan liân-bêng pó͘-chō͘ ê tāi-chì

2021-nî tē-4-kùi sî,Ûi-ki Mûi-thé Ki-kim-hōe kong-pò͘ sin-ê pó͘-chō͘ hong-àn: Ûi-ki Mûi-thé Liân-bêng pó͘-chō͘, chit-hāng pó͘-chō͘ ē chàn-chō͘ kah Ûi-ki Mûi-thé kè-ōe iú-koan ê choan-àn, m̄-koh pēng m̄-sī kok-tōe ê Ûi-ki Mûi-thé chū-tī-thé the̍h-chhut ê thê-àn.

iú-koan OpenStreetMap Tâi-oân ê tāi-chì

OpenStreetMap Tâi-oân iû Tâi-oân koan-sim tâu-ji̍p OpenStreetMap ê pian-chi̍p-chiá kò͘-sêng, chū 2010-nî khai-sí tùi kò-jîn to̍k pian-chi̍p piàn-sêng chi̍p-ha̍p koh-khah chōe lâng chham-ú ê kiōng-pian tōe-tô͘ choan-àn ê chāi-tōe siā-kûn. Bo̍k-chêng tī Tâi-oân ū tī Tâi-pak kah Wikidata siā-kûn kiōng-tông kú-hêng OpenStreetMap x Wikidata ge̍h-chū, mā-ū put-tēng-kî ê tah-chhâ oa̍h-tōng.

Pún-bûn kám-siā Supaplex hia̍p-chō͘ kàu-tùi pēng hoan-e̍k Tâi-bûn pán-pún, Eng-bûn pán sī assanges hoan-e̍k, choân-pō͘ bûn-chiong iōng sèng-bêng piáu-sī-kâng-khoán hong-sek hun-hióng 4.0 kok-chè siū-khoân.

Location: 龜子山, 金山區, 新北市, 20845, 臺灣

最近香港 OpenStreetMap 社群出狀況,有人一直將山名改做舊的名稱,再來新增加聚落名稱也用舊名稱。有較資深的人說明能夠添加 alt_name 或是 old_name 標籤,不過編輯者看來聽不進去。有山友看不下去,開記者會向大眾報告,紛擾香港社群幾個月的編輯戰要給予使用 OpenStreetMap 的人怎樣的山區內容。

想要更改大家習慣山名的人,用一本作者自己踏查結果寫的書本,並不是經過學術方式檢驗內容,而且也忽略大眾有習慣的叫法,也持續好幾年了。有不少山頭的古早名稱是客家人留下來的,用的漢字與香港話的叫法是不同的。社群的人改這位編輯的更動,卻被他改回來,也沒有聽別人的解說與顧慮。香港有相當多用 OpenStreetMap 資料的登山 app,地圖畫面也被改得亂七八遭。

他們編輯戰進行好幾個月了,幾天前我用 Data Working Group 的身份介入,將不聽勸告的帳號封鎖,不過看來他有其他帳號,繼續編輯他們認為正確的山名與地名。好佳哉香港社群的人能夠及時改回來,不過一些 app 仍然是抓取舊的地圖資料,因此錯誤的資料留在上面。

其實像是 OpenStreetMap 與維基百科,最怕一些堅持自己是對的人,別人改動他的資料,就趕緊改回來,也無法溝通。有活躍的社群改正回來,即便被人封了帳號,他還可以繼續創新帳號繼續編輯,並不想放棄。

台灣也有發生類似的事情,有一個帳號叫愛台灣,用網路流傳的山路GPS,將別人走過的路線畫上 OpenStreetMap。有相當多沒有其他來源,可能就是探查的路線被畫上去了。

也有人不管先前基石與最高點位分開標示的決議,將基石全部改成山峰,因此被不少人誤會。幾年前 OpenStreetMap 社群與登山社群協調好了,就是基石就是基石,山峰與基石應該獨立標示。

臺灣這裡的 OpenStreetMap 的發展重點在爬山山路的部份,與非洲、南亞、東南亞的國家是救災目的並不一樣。歐美那邊的國家有完整的山路開放資料,所以不論是公司、社團想要做爬山地圖真的相當容易。臺灣無商業力量想要做爬山地圖,因此讓 OpenStreetMap 有機會發揮的地方。

看著香港最近的事件,同樣有爬山的人愛開放街圖,靠熱心貢獻者,因此有能力畫完整的山路。

Location: 離島區, 新界, 香港, 中国

Hong Kong peaks' name edit wars

Posted by Supaplex on 23 April 2022 in English.

There is chaos happening in the OpenStreetMap Hong Kong community recently. Someone keeps changing peak name into its old name and sometimes changing hamlet into its old name too. There are some senior OpenStreetMap contributors who remind him

and changed the names to old names. Some old names are original from Hakka people, which use different Chinese characters compared to Hong Kong Cantonese names.

The community members reverted his edit, and included the name he added as alt_name or old_name. But he doesn’t accept it, and changes back to the name he added. And of course not listening to others’ concerns. There are so many Hong Kong hiking apps using OpenStreetMap data. His edits made things worse for people who rely on apps’ map data.

He and the community members have edit wars for months. I use my Data Working Group privilege and hope to solve the chaos. I block several accounts and hope they could listen and discuss with the concerned community members. But soon we find out he has multi-accounts or a butch of coordinated accounts. And I have to block those accounts too.

Taiwan hiking community relies on OpenStreetMap data too, just like in Hong Kong. But fortunately, Taiwanese Hokkien origin names have just a few differences from Taiwanese Mandarin, compare to Hong Kong Hakka and Hong Kong Cantonese. Just a few years ago, the OpenStreetMap Taiwan community have an agreement with the Taiwan Hiking community, we will map the survey points and peaks separately. And will not upload survay GPS traces to the OpenStreetMap database.

OpenStreetMap Taiwan’s biggest use case is hiking. And the hiking trail is drawn and maintained by the hiking community in Taiwan, making the hiking trails very detail compare to roads network, POI, buildings and landuses in Taiwan. Taiwan situation is quite different compared to Africa, South Asia, or South East Asia, we didn’t have much use case of emergency.

We already have well-funded government rescue agencies and NGO systems. European and American countries don’t have trouble accessing detailed mountain hiking trails and companies or organizations have no trouble making hiking maps.

It is very hard for companies to make hiking maps in Taiwan. That is OpenStreetMap opportunity in Taiwan: the default hiking map in Taiwan. Taiwan and Hong Kong have a similar contributor demographic: the hiking mappers. They are the main force to draw hiking trails.

Location: East Tsim Sha Tsui, Tsim Sha Tsui, Yau Tsim Mong District, Kowloon, Hong Kong, 000000, China

香港山峰的編輯戰

Posted by Supaplex on 23 April 2022 in Chinese (中文).

最近香港遐个 OpenStreetMap 社群有出代誌,有人一直共山的名改做舊的名,閣加添聚落的名改做舊的名。有較資深的人共伊講會當添加 alt_name 抑是 old_name 嘛袂聽得。有山友看袂落去,開記者會共大眾報告,紛擾香港社群幾個月的編輯戰佮欲予使用 OpenStreetMap 的人啥款的山區內容。

欲改逐家慣勢的山名的人,用一本家己踏查結果寫的冊,毋是經過學術方式檢驗內容,嘛忽略大眾有慣勢的山名,已經叫幾若年矣。有袂少山的古早名是客家人留落來的,用的漢字較這馬香港話是無啥仝。社群的人改伊的編輯,嘛予伊改轉來,嘛毋聽別人的解說佮顧慮。香港有誠濟用 OpenStreetMap 資料的山 app,予伊按呢改變亂操操。

𪜶編輯戰進行幾個月矣,幾工前我用 Data Working Group 的身份介入,共毋聽勸的口座封鎖,毋過看來伊有足濟口座,繼續編輯伊認為正確的山名佮地號名。好佳哉香港社群的人會當及時改就轉來,猶毋過一寡 app 猶是掠舊的地圖資料,予錯誤的資料留佇頂面。

其實親像 OpenStreetMap 佮維基百科,上驚一寡堅持家己是著的人,別人改in的資料,就趕緊改轉來,嘛無法度溝通。有骨力會社群,毋過予人封鎖,伊繼續創新口座繼續編輯,無咧放棄。

台灣嘛有發生相的代誌,有一个口座叫愛台灣的,毋知佗位揣的山路GPS,共別人的路線畫佇咧 OpenStreetMap 頂懸。有真濟揣無其他來源,可能是探查的路線嘛予人畫去。

嘛有人毋管基石佮上懸所在分開標示,共基石攏總改做山峰,予袂少人誤會。幾年前 OpenStreetMap 社群有共𬦰山社群講好矣,就是基石就是基石,山峰佮基石應該獨立標示。

臺灣遮的 OpenStreetMap 的發展重點佇咧𬦰山山路的部份,佮非洲、南亞、東南亞的國家是救災目的無仝。歐美遐的國家有完整的山路開放資料,所以逐家不論是公司、社團想欲做𬦰山地圖誠容易。臺灣無商業力量想欲做𬦰山地圖,煞予 OpenStreetMap 有機會發揮。

看著香港最近的事件,仝款有𬦰山的人愛開放街圖,靠熱心貢獻者,會當畫完整的山路。

Location: 太平山, 上環, 中西區, 香港島, 香港, 中国

最近佇咧 OSM dialy 遐有人寫文章,認為 talk-tw 的討論變矣,傷排外用手段阻止編輯。我佇咧想你敢是佮我看仝款的 mailing list,這幾年大都是 weeklyOSM 的出版公告,猶閣有匯入佮大量編輯的通告,確定逐家無問題就動手來做,講實在是無啥物咧討論。

古早時代 talk-tw mailing list 有社群進行串聯熟似彼此,制定臺灣各級行政區的標籤方式,欲社群聚會的時間討論等等重要的議題。後來真濟討論走去較濟人的 Facebook 社團遐,mailing list 就無啥人用。

社群討論不論是佇咧佗位,毋就是欲出聲討論,逐家攏有無仝看法佮做法,提出來嘛會當修正,嘛無看著有其他人的意見 。社群機制親像臺灣原住民區域遐的部落會議,進前亞泥佮在地部落欲諮詢部落敢會當繼續開採礦場,欲開部落會議來投票,過程有好好討論就好,來爭取各方支持。

在地力量在地社群辛辛苦苦咧維護,揣𪜶討論,應該毋是傷過份的代志。進前嘛有外國公司,一个 Snap 想欲模仿 Google 按呢佇 OpenStreetMap 遐存各國認為的「國家」邊界,臺灣予𪜶認為是中國的,所以愛有一个中國認為的臺灣是𪜶的邊界,予社群認為無共識閣爭議傷濟予阻止。採取較激烈的手段是欲為著落尾的討論來起頭,因為好好佇咧編織討論留話,真濟擺是無人回的。

嘛有公司推捒無啥問題的物件,親像 Here 創臺灣的 Maprouttle Challenge 修正臺灣遮的地圖小問題,Apple 嘛有用 Maprouttle Challenge 希望社群有人會當鬥跤手來修正地圖的問題。

我遮有共 Talk-tw 當做愛發文來吸引人來回的目的,社群莫干焦一个所在討論,另外一方面是欲記錄,因為 Facebook 討論濟,毋過無好揣,寄批信到 mailing list 留記錄。

Location: 卡里布安村, 信義鄉, 南投縣, 臺灣

臺文漢字版本

進前彼篇文章予人講看無,顯示一般看漢字的人預設彼文章是華語的。但是佇咧台灣推捒本土語言教育的狀況,其實是有可能是寫台文佮客人話文章。這爿囥一寡臺語教學的網站佮書予袂曉臺語的人參考:

這幾年台灣的OpenStreetMap社群嘛有重視濟語言的工課,先共重要的都市庄頭標示台語佮客語的名號,甚至是原住民區的部落,嘛標示𪜶族語的名號。

看無毋捌意思的漢字文章毋是真大的代誌,無受著相關的語言教育的人誠自然就毋捌,乖乖請人抑是倩人來翻譯就好矣。較熟似香港文化的人,嘛看會著粵語字。

頭前講著OpenStreetMap的濟語言標示,毋但是國際西洋的語言,嘛愛處理在庄的本土語言。這幾年咱的社群愈來愈重視,共縣市,鄉鎮市區,甚至是角頭的小地號名嘛加上台語名號。車頭,捷運站,重要的公車轉運站嘛是加上台語名號。不而過客語較無法度,愛有客人參與,這馬客人較無貢獻。

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國外西洋的地號名的部份,有固有的地號名就用固有的,親像Russia翻做露西亞。原住民的部份,因為in有完整的部落清單佮羅馬字寫法,所以會當沓沓仔共𪜶的地號名加上本底的GNS地號名遐,就是愛有人做。歡迎有興趣的人來幫贊鬥陣來完成。

Tâi-lô pán-pún

Tsìn-tsîng hit-phinn bûn-tsiong hōo-lâng kóng khuànn-bô, hián-sī it-puann khuànn hàn-jī ê lâng ū-siat hit bûn-tsiong sī huâ-gú ê. Tān-sī tī-teh Tâi-uân thui-sak pún-thóo gū-giân kàu-io̍k ê tsōng-hóng, kî-si̍t sī ū-khó-lîng sī siá Tâi-bûn kah Kheh-lâng-uē bûn-tsiong. Tsit-pîng khǹg tsi̍t-kuá Tâi-gú kàu-ha̍k ê bāng-tsām kah tsu hōo buē-hiáu Tâi-gú ê lâng tsham-khó:

Tsit-kuí-nî Tâi-uân ê OpenStreetMap siā-kûn mā-ū tiōng-sī tsuē-gū-giân ê khang-khuè, sian kā tiōng-iàu-ê too-tshī tsng-thâu piáu-sī Tâi-gú kah Kheh-gú ê miâ-hō, sīm-tsì sī guân-tsū-bîn-khu ê pōo-lo̍k, mā piáu-sī in tso̍k-gú ê miâ-hō.

Khuànn-bô m̄-bat i-su ê hàn-jī bûn-tsiong m̄-sī tsin-tuā ê tāi-tsì, bô-siū-tio̍h siong-kuan gū-giân kàu-io̍k ê lâng tsiânn tsū-jiân tō m̄-bat, kuai-kuai tshiánn-lâng ia̍h-sī tshiànn-lâng lâi huan-i̍k tō-hó–ah. Khah-si̍k-sāi Hiong-káng bûn-huà ê lâng, mā khàunn ē tio̍h Ua̍t-gú-jī.

Thâu-tsîng kóng-tio̍h OpenStreetMap ê tsuē-gū-giân piáu-sī, m̄-nā sī kok-tsè se-iûnn ê gū-giân, mā-ài tshú-lí tsāi-tsng ê pún-thóo gū-giân. Tsit-kuí-nî lán-ê siā-kûn jú-lâi-jú tiōng-sī–ah kā kuān-tshī, hiong-tìn-tshī-khu, sīm-tsì sī kak-thâu ê sió tuē-hō-miâ ka-siōng Tâi-gú miâ-hō. Tshia-thâu, tsia̍t-ūn-tsām, Tiōng-iàu ê kong-tshia-tsuán-ūn-tsām mā-sī ka-siōng Tâi-gú miâ-hō. Put-jî-kò Kheh-gú khah bô-huat-tōo, ài-ū Kheh-lâng tsham-ú, tsit-má Kheh-lâng khah bô kòng-hiàn.

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  • name:nan-TL
  • name:hak

Kok-guā se-iûnn ê tuē-hō-miâ ê pōo-hūn, ū kòo-iú ê tuē-hō-miâ tō iōng kòo-iú ê, tshin-tshiūnn Russia huan-tsuè Lōo-se-a. Guân-tsū-bîn ê pōo-hūn, in-uī in-ū uân-tsíng ê pōo-lo̍k tshing-tuann kah Lô-má-jī siá-huat, sóo-í ē-tàng ta̍uh-ta̍uh-á kā in-ê tuē-hō-miâ ka-siōng pún-tué ê GNS tuē-hō-miâ hiah, tio̍h-sī ài ū-lâng tsuè, Huan-gîng ū-hìng-tshù ê lâng lâi pang-tsān tàu-tīn lâi uân-sîng.

Pe̍h-ōe-jī Pán-pún

Chìn-chêng hit-phiⁿ bûn-chiong hō͘-lâng kóng khòaⁿ-bô, hián-sī it-poaⁿ khòaⁿ hàn-jī ê lâng ū-siat hit bûn-chiong sī hôa-gú ê. Tān-sī tī-teh Tâi-oân thui-sak pún-thó͘ gū-giân kàu-io̍k ê chōng-hóng, kî-si̍t sī ū-khó-lêng sī siá Tâi-bûn kah Kheh-lâng-ōe bûn-chiong. Chit-pêng khǹg chi̍t-kóa Tâi-gú kàu-ha̍k ê bāng-chām kah chu hō͘ bōe-hiáu Tâi-gú ê lâng chham-khó:

Chit-kúi-nî Tâi-oân ê OpenStreetMap siā-kûn mā-ū tiōng-sī chōe-gū-giân ê khang-khòe, sian kā tiōng-iàu-ê to͘-chhī chng-thâu piáu-sī Tâi-gú kah Kheh-gú ê miâ-hō, sīm-chì sī goân-chū-bîn-khu ê pō͘-lo̍k, mā piáu-sī in cho̍k-gú ê miâ-hō.

Khòaⁿ-bô m̄-bat i-su ê hàn-jī bûn-chiong m̄-sī chin-tōa ê tāi-chì, bô-siū-tio̍h siong-koan gū-giân kàu-io̍k ê lâng chiâⁿ chū-jiân tō m̄-bat, koai-koai chhiáⁿ-lâng ia̍h-sī chhiàⁿ-lâng lâi hoan-e̍k tō-hó–ah. Khah-se̍k-sāi Hiong-káng bûn-hòa ê lâng, mā khàuⁿ ē tio̍h Oa̍t-gú-jī.

Thâu-chêng kóng-tio̍h OpenStreetMap ê chōe-gū-giân piáu-sī, m̄-nā sī kok-chè se-iûⁿ ê gū-giân, mā-ài chhú-lí chāi-chng ê pún-thó͘ gū-giân. Chit-kúi-nî lán-ê siā-kûn jú-lâi-jú tiōng-sī–ah kā koān-chhī, hiong-tìn-chhī-khu, sīm-chì sī kak-thâu ê sió tōe-hō-miâ ka-siōng Tâi-gú miâ-hō. Chhia-thâu, chia̍t-ūn-chām, Tiōng-iàu ê kong-chhia-choán-ūn-chām mā-sī ka-siōng Tâi-gú miâ-hō. Put-jî-kò Kheh-gú khah bô-hoat-tō͘, ài-ū Kheh-lâng chham-ú, chit-má Kheh-lâng khah bô kòng-hiàn.

  • name:nan
  • name:nan-HJ
  • name:nan-POJ
  • name:nan-TL
  • name:hak

Kok-gōa se-iûⁿ ê tōe-hō-miâ ê pō͘-hūn, ū kò͘-iú ê tōe-hō-miâ tō iōng kò͘-iú ê, chhin-chhiūⁿ Russia hoan-chòe Lō͘-se-a. Goân-chū-bîn ê pō͘-hūn, in-ūi in-ū oân-chéng ê pō͘-lo̍k chheng-toaⁿ kah Lô-má-jī siá-hoat, só͘-í ē-tàng tau̍h-tau̍h-á kā in-ê tōe-hō-miâ ka-siōng pún-tóe ê GNS tōe-hō-miâ hiah, tio̍h-sī ài ū-lâng chòe, Hoan-gêng ū-hèng-chhù ê lâng lâi pang-chān tàu-tīn lâi oân-sêng.

Location: 崁頭, 鹿谷村, 鹿谷鄉, 南投縣, 558, 臺灣

最近發現有個中國帳號正規化 KFC 的標籤,編輯變動的 boundary 有夠大,甚至把台灣包進去。近期一些主要的 QA 工具如 OSMCha並沒有辦法處理這麼大的 boundary,無法視覺化編輯,看到到底動了什麼,可能是 Overpass API 出問題,因此需要手動檢核有沒有動到台灣的物件。檢查之後應該是沒有動到台灣的物件,但他在編輯變動留言說沒有動到「台灣地區」,這台灣沒在用的名字看了不是很舒服。

我這邊建議,雖然 QA 工具出問題,無法輕易檢查該次編輯是不是有狀況,雖然這筆編輯的確動的只有一個國家範圍,把編輯範圍縮小,分幾次來上傳,將編輯變動 boundary 弄小一點,避免引起誤解,也可以輕易的檢核有沒有出問題。而達人可以繼續畫地圖,避免可能的問題,然後不用花時間在溝通上面。

台灣雖然是個小地方,但是有不少辛辛苦苦畫地圖的圖客,很認真依照事實,看眼前的事物來加東西到 OpenStreetMap 上面。但有時遇到人要挑戰事實,加上非事實的事物,強逼台灣人接受非在地觀點的事物。這種事情是違反 OpenStreetMap 的現地觀察事物,才能加上 OpenStreetMap 上面的 on the ground truth 原則

OpenStreetMap 的如同其姊妹計畫維基百科一樣,是人人看到怪怪的東西,就可以動手修改,甚至不存在的事物也可以直接移除,不需要有較高的權限。而比較需要背景知識的 reverter 則不一定要管理員才能用,有得到社群共識動手都可以。OpenStreetMap 是個參與平等的計劃,比較資深只是參與比較久,不是講話就怎樣,做事比較有資格,只要有理做什麼編輯都是允許的。

Location: 24.187, 119.581

There is a Chinese account that has normalized the KFC tag that its changeset boundary is so big recently, which included Taiwan in it. The changeset boundary is so big that makes QA tools like OSMCha not function as expected, probably Overpass API limitation. The reviewer has to manully review the changeset if there is anything wrong. As a Taiwanese mapper I check if he change something inside the Taiwan boundary, and foundout he does what he said. The mapper stated in his changeset comment said he did not touch KFC in the “Taiwan area”, which in my humble option is not quite necessary.

I will recommend that even though the cause is QA tools problems, that can not check edit in a country if it is problem changeset, might be a good idea to avoid such a big changeset boundary. Split the big changeset into a much smaller, much checkable changeset that lets QA tools like OSMCha to function normally. This could avoid potiental disruption. Heavy mappeers could focus on mapping, not changeset comment discussion.

Even though Taiwan is a small place, there are many hard-working mappers that contribute to OpenStreetMap, following the truth to map stuff that exists in front of them, that can be observed by their own eyes. But sometimes we have to deal with people who do not follow the on-the-ground truth, forcing Taiwanese to accept things not observabe on the ground.

The OpenSteetMap project is just like its sister project Wikipedia, everyone can contribute. So if there is something quite strange, then anyone who spots the strange stuff could edit it and make it alright. And in some extreme cases, you could delete stuff that does not exist. You do not have to have a special privilege to change someone else edit, and in some cases, you have to revert the whole changeset to fix stuff. If you have knowledge of reverter, and support by community members, you could just be a regular account and do the revert. That is no problem at all. OpenStreetMap is a project that everyone is equal, not judged by seniority, anyone who has reason could do things under the rules.

Location: 24.767, 119.866