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Two big events coming up in London:
TODAY (Saturday) we're having a big lunchtime pub meet up. hbogner is visiting with a whole team of Croatian OpenStreetMappers. Nine of them I think! They've been doing some kind of OSM workshop in rural Wales, the bit which just got the heaviest snow, but I'm sure that wont stop them getting back to London this morning, and we can meet with them to drink beer in the traditional english environment of Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese pub.
I'm sorry I've arranged this at rather short notice. I was umming and aahing because it clashes with something else I have this evening. This is the only reason it's a lunchtime event actually, so if people want to carry on the merriment into the evening, or arrange a follow-on session at a different pub, I'm sure the Croatian folks won't complain! I will be aiming to get there before 1pm though. Should be fun. For a while there I wasn't sure if the Croatians had managed to find out about the event I'd set up. But it's OK. They're good to go. But I seem to be the only Londoner signed up on lanyrd so far! Looking forward to it anyway.
The other big event is the next London OpenStreetMap Hack Weekend. Feb 2nd 3rd. This looks set to be an international gathering too, with Emacsen flying in from the States, Ben from Belgium, and Katie from Germany. Again we need more Londoners signing up, but I know you all don't like to commit until the last minute. The Open Data Institute are hosting and sponsoring! This will be a great venue for this I'm sure. It has "Open Data" in its name, and it's a nice space. Check it out (we can get set up in the 'boardroom' there). Please consider coming along even if you're a little bit scared by the word "hacking". It'll be fun I promise!
So those are some upcoming events.
We were in the pub not so long ago for our first London meet-up of 2013 at the Monkey Puzzle. The pub was unusually crowded. Clearly after their spectacular switch2osm on their website, more people are managing to navigate to this pub, or perhaps just attracted to the pub due to the sheer classiness of its website map. Anyway it was busy, but everyone who got there before me did a fine job of grabbing a good table, this time in the room with ye olde map on the wall.
Ed Freyfogle from Nestoria was there, so we got talking about the property market, and the business of cleaning up data coming from estate agent listings, and the business of click-through money making with zoopla. I share an office with a startup called Locatable who do this too, and in a very map-based manner. Don't worry. They have promised me they will switch to OpenStreetMap :-)
Richard Fairhurst was in London for the day, so of course he should swing by the OSMLondon meet-up! He and Andy sounded like they were having an interesting chat about the future of OSM editor development. They worked together on some of the latest developments of Potlatch 2 in flex, and there's lots more that could be done there to bring some of the advanced features to their full potential, but it seems like iD is the future.
I was showing off my new christmas pressie, a Kindle Fire. It's a very capable tablet device, somewhat hobbled by amazon's custom android O.S. The homescreen interfaces are nice to use, but it very cleverly directs you buy stuff from them. Mostly annoyingly though, you can't get on "google play" to download whichever apps you like. The amazon appstore has a much reduced subset. Searching for "OpenStreetMap" finds a handful including Skobbler's Forevermaps, and MapsWithMe.
Now Derick has been recommending MapsWithMe for a while, but I only just got around to trying it at Christmas time, and I have to say... it's awesome! My new favourite app. I only have the free 'lite' version, but it's a really nice fluid offline vector map browsing interface. Grant was noticing that they're doing very well on download stats, including doing really well at getting people to pay £3.09 for the pro version. Making money from OpenStreetMap? Whatever next!
We talked about the evils of imports, the France Cadastre debate again, and closer to home, the practice of copying in street names from Ordnance Survey open data. I'm a little suspicious of the progress we're seeing on ITO's street names comparison map now. Everything's turning blue, which is good news, but are people going out and surveying these streets? If we just copy in names from O.S. open data "we're in danger of doing ourselves down" was how RichardF puts it. We should aim to create a richer more exciting dataset with a community of local OpenStreetMap enthusiasts maintaining it.
I really like Pascal Neis' Overview of OpenStreetMap Contributors map, which adds the little user icons (they look like babies) based on the centre of their active areas. I was saying in the pub, that in a way this is more like what the users home location map should present. A view of who is nearby, and genuinely active there. The home locations map has a weird kind of clutter problem which means it doesn't really help connect new people to nearby mappers.
We talked about landuse mapping. The confusion created by TimSC's crude mapping approach of blatting in areas of landuse based on looking at aerial imagery (and often getting classifications completely wrong). Also we discussed the general problems of landuse classification. Commercial vs Retail vs Industrial. Areas tend to be a bit of both. Edge cases are more common than not.
Speaking of landuse mapping "Rendering of Farmland not 'Light' enough?" Yes! Longtime bugbear of mine. We should make the big brown stains fade to the background a lot more in my opinion (on the 'standard' style)
Speaking of the 'standard' style, we had Steve Chilton in the pub with us. Lots of conversations about rendering including Andy Allan chatting to him about his carto port of the OSM stylesheets, and how Tilemill designing would work if we were to adopt this on the main tile servers.
Speaking of the main tile servers, we talked about the "operations" side of things, and the vision for scaling onto new servers for load balancing and/or failover. We've got quite a few tile caches now, and these are starting take the vast majority of the load, but they're pointing to one "parent" server doing actual rendering. Yevaud is churning out an average of 6 metatiles per second. OSM U.S. may be providing some servers which could be arranged to split the rendering load, but then the caching approach becomes more complex if we try to avoid two servers rendering the same meta-tile.
As well as my kindle, I also got a new bike for christmas, so I was showing that off too, but we didn't hang around too long outside the pub before heading home, because it's mighty cold this time of year.
Today we're having a spot of snow, but don't let that put you off. The Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese is a warm cosy pub. Just the place for an OpenStreetMap lunch! All the details on the wiki
We had an awesome hack weekend in December, but last time we had a regular pub session was way back in November. We went to the Parcel Yard pub in the new bit of Kings Cross station.
In the pub we talked about ...random topics which I wrote down at the time. Does anyone remember what we said about "floods in the tube", and "airoplane radars"? And at the end of the list I have written down "weight loss solutions". I don't remember that converation at all. Maybe we came up with some brilliant medical breakthrough, but I'm afraid I didn't write down any more detail. The cure for obesity is lost forever.
We talked about OpenMeatMap.org, a map locating fine meat produce from butchers, farmers markets, and other meat outlets. ...which sadly doesn't exist. But it should!
We talked about MapRoulette.org and fixing up TIGER mess. (Oh that's cool. I've just noticed my little tutorial video is linked from there directly now)
Someone (don't remember who) was browsing the OpenStreetMap.org front page map (newly converted to leaflet.js) using his android phone and we observed a bizarre squidgy dragging effect which has never been seen before or since. You have to see this little video to see the squidgyness. It was a pretty cool bug in a "you couldn't do that if you tried" kind of way.
We also had a fairly extensive discussion covering some interesting more serious topics:
Back in November the French cadastre import of building data (Import semi-automatique des bâtiments) was causing some agro because the Data Working Group had blocked some french users who were bulk importing without following the guidelines. Many French users are taking part in the 'semi-automatic' merging in of building data. Some users took this too far, importing too many objects too quickly. In these cases it was a bulk import, but without following bulk import rules (in particular not creating a separate user account for this). Blocking users is always liable to trigger some agro, but somehow this escalated into a French community versus DWG battle on the mailing lists. Matt (of the DWG) was giving his perspective on this in the pub. Here's a thing I noticed from a wiki perspective (I always like the wiki perspective) Looking into the debate after it flared up, I was surprised to find that the french language wiki page about this import carried no cautionary information, about it not being intended as a bulk import, and about the problems of bulk imports. The warning on there now was only added when I pointed this out. Some users will get the wrong idea if you don't give guidelines and just say "hey everyone join in with uploading this data".
We moved on to talking about the OpenStreetMap foundation, and particularly the Management Team. The MT group lost steam a bit. We discussed reasons for that. MT meetings have always been voice calls, rather than IRC meetings, which some people prefer, but voice calls can feel like very hard work sometimes. More fundamentally it was felt MT doesn't have enough authority (or doesn't feel itself to have enough authority) to make decisions, and isn't properly looped into a the chain of command. Personally I think the management team would work better along with many other working groups, if we could generally make these roles and responsibilities more desirable coveted positions somehow. We, at the OSMF, need to figure out better ways of recruiting people from the wider project. We discussed this because Matt (OSMF board) was organising a re-boot of the management team.
I realised we were giving Matt a bit of a grilling in his capacity as board and DWG member, during these conversations which were unusually serious for the pub. But we made it up to him by going for his favourite... burritos!.
See the majestic timetable of Kings Cross station in the background there. No? Well ok. But you have to admit the roof is quite nice here:
The Parcel Yard pub is kind of hidden at the back of this new bit of King Cross station, and has none of the skankiness you often get in station pubs, perhaps because the beers are a bit pricey. Quite nice pub though. And good proximity to burritos. Perhaps we'll go again.
But not tonight. Tonight we're going to Paddington, and no the station this time. We'll be in the good old Monkey Puzzle. All the details on the wiki. If all of this serious and not so serious OpenStreetMaptastic conversation sounds like your kind of thing, or you're just curious about the basic idea of OpenStreetMap... if you are one of the 1 million, or even if you're not... come join us in the pub!
1 million users! Woosh! Welcome to 2013. This is going to be a good year.
1 million is a big number. My uncle is a retired school teacher, and he has this great story. He told a classroom full of school kids "1 million is a big number. Between all of us, d'you think we could draw one million dots?". He showed them how to draw a block of 100 dots on a piece of paper in a neat 10x10 grid, then they raced to see who could draw 1000 dots as a row a 10 of these blocks. Some kids did it very quickly. Some kids took a bit longer and did them in colourful stripes. "Not bad" he said "If we add them all up, working together, you've drawn a lot of dots, but if you lot can draw 1 million dots I will eat this banana whole, including the skin!". Excited by this prospect, the kids all feverishly carried on drawing dots, but at the end of the lesson they added them up and found they had only done about 200,000 dots. Good progress, but they had a long way to go to reach a million. Lesson learned. 1 million is a very big number.
...but a couple of girls went home that night and carried on drawing dots. Two months later they presented my uncle with a box piled high with dots on paper all carefully arranged in colourful checkered grids. My uncle (now retired) showed me this box which he had kept ever since. It's a true story.
...and yes, he had to eat a banana whole, including the skin.
I'm not sure what the lesson is from this. Maybe "never underestimate the power of bored kids", or "if you ever thought editing OpenStreetMap was a pointless waste of time, people do more pointless things", or how about this lesson "A massive task might just be possible if you have lots of people to helping out and a few very dedicated people getting really into it".
Anyway 1 million is big. The above graph is from osmstats.altogetherlost.com. It shows us blasting over the 1 million user mark some time in the small hours of yesterday morning. This morning's raw stats report clearly show us over the line. The graph shows a downturn at the beginning of the week, which isn't usually possible in the count of registered users. This is caused by the sysadmins doing a clear out of some spam user registrations. They've done this before in the past, and they wanted to do it again in advance of the 1 million users announcement.
Whenever we do announcements about the number of users we have, people are quick to complain that this is misleading. This number includes people who signed up, but didn't make a single edit to the map data. That is no small component of the total, in fact it's a very large component. About 2/3rds of signed up users never get as far as clicking the 'save' button on a map edit. 2/3rds! This is based on Pascal Neis' analysis of this from a couple of years back, but I'm assuming this ratio hasn't changed much.
So we might say a less misleading figure to look at, is the number of users who made a least one change, but this quickly leads to the next question "Should we really count users of OpenStreetMap who have only made a single edit before disappearing?", and then we're into different ways of measuring activity. People have done this analysis. Andy Robinson has been re-plotting this graph since the early days, showing a "rolling week" measure of node editing activity, currently fluctuating around the 8000 mark. We have to measure the size of a community somehow. There's no doubt this 8000 figure is a more down-to-earth realistic figure than the over-blown 1 million figure we're singing and shouting about. But why take a 1 week rolling count? Why look at node editing? There's lots of different ways of aggregating these stats, all with different quirks. The fact is, the least arbitrary measure we have available to us is the cold hard simple count of user sign-ups, and today this is showing a big fat 1 million! Yes we're singing and shouting about it. Guess what? We're trying to promote OpenStreetMap. Nothing wrong with that, so please join in!
But the revelation that 2/3rds of sign ups do not edit, is a frustration for people who work on improving OpenStreetMap. I like it when the discussion comes around, because it leads to inward-looking self-criticism. What are we doing wrong? I would urge people to think of the zero-editors as part of the long-tail distribution of our community. I'll explain what I mean some other time, but basically we shouldn't beat ourselves up about it too much. But self-criticism is good. It leads to conclusions like:
- OpenStreetMap editing software needs to be easier for beginners,
- Documentation needs to be better for beginners
- Editing on mobile needs to be easier
- The website needs "social" features for welcoming and helping new users
- We need simple bug submitting and workflows around fixing them.
- We need to make contributing fun, like a game, with microtasks.
The good news is that we're tackling things on all these fronts. We saw some great progress in 2012, and we're set to see exciting announcements in 2013. In particular...
- We may soon go live with a "Report a problem" link on the OpenStreetMap homepage. 'notes' branch
- In 2012 we've seen the PushPin OSM app brings easy OSM editing to iPhone.
- In 2012 we've seen MapRoulette challenges breaking TIGER fixup in to interesting little microtasks. Now we're seeing the 'Kort' presenting KeepRight bugs as a fun little game.
- switch2osm.org launched at the beginning of 2012, providing targeted documentation on using OpenStreetMap for web developers. RichardF was the main man behind this, and he's itching to do something similar again. Meanwhile learnosm.org is set to receive a facelift very soon.
It's things like this which will improve our "conversion rate", moving people from signing up to making edits, and allow us to really tap into our 1 million strong army of registered OpenStreetMappers. That's why 2013 is going to be a good year.
As usual the run up to Christmas seems to be building up to a crescendo of chaos for me. But that's the way we like it. Some of the Hack Weekend promotion was a little hurried/non-existant, but even so we did alright.
We had a lovely venue courtesy of 10gen the MongoDB company where Derick works. Our venue requirements are pretty simple, but this funky warehouse office in Shoreditch surpassed them. Thanks to 10gen for that, and to Derick for helping me run the event.
And we had pizza!
I arranged for pizzas and other snacks courtesy of placr.co.uk, the little transport open data company where I work. I wrote a post about this on the placr blog, and about some ideas for railway data hacking. One of my hacks for the weekend was to tweak the replication diff updating scripts to try to make this run robustly on the placr server. I'm not as expert at running download servers as the geofabrik guys. Hope it doesn't become too much of a pain in the ass, and I hope that I and other developers will be able to chain some other railway ideas onto it.
Speaking of OSM railways data, we got chatting about TrainLord, which is pretty awesome use of this data. It's a game. It's not that easy to get started, but I will admit I found the idea of lording it over the East Coast mainline to be quite appealing, and so I've spent rather longer playing it that I should have done (which is probably what makes a good game) and unfortunately discussion lead to playing TrainLord instead of hacking at least some of the time!
But apart from that, there was some hacking going on (This list is also on the wiki page):
- TomH worked on Notes (formerly known as OpenStreetBugs) and converting it OpenLayers -> Leaflet. See activity on github
- Robert Scott showed us a tool he's been building which process GPS traces and compares routes with those from OSRM to discover where streets seem missing or oneways are wrong (assuming it's trace taken while driving)
- Derick worked on his "year of edits" video animation, and made a MongoDB powered XAPI-like system to help power Tom Morris' thing
- Tom Morris worked on osmcheckin a foursquare-like checkin system for OSM POIS
- Andy Allan worked on openstreetmap-carto a port of the OpenStreetMap 'standard' stylesheet into the more compactly elegant 'carto' stylesheet format.
- Adrian nw3biz learned some OpenLayers markers tricks following my marker popups example
- I made some improvements to XAPI URL Builder to make it output osmosis commands for data filtering, to offer an alternative to hitting XAPI.
I did that hack quite quickly, but spent the rest of the time being distracted by TrainLord, taking pictures of myself eating pizza, and watching nice previews of hacks other people were working on. A hack weekend really needs to involve people feeding ideas off eachother, and there was plenty of that going on. All in all, a pretty fun way to spend a weekend!
I hope to do it again soon. In fact we'll probably get something together for January or February. If you know of a good venue, and/or a company who would like to sponsor the pizzas for this kind of event (or a different kind of event!) let me know.
We've got quite a range of London events upcoming in various stages of planning:
Thu 22nd - geomob - They've just announced the line-up. Six different geo-presentations followed by pub. This is always a fun geo crowd, and usually a fair few OpenStreetMappers in attendance.
Sat 24th / Sun 25th - London branch of Operation Cowboy - This one is being organised by Tom Morris. He's yet to confirm the venue, but has a plan. I hope this can be a good "training" event, at which people can go and learn or share tips about OpenStreetMap editing (That should be the focus I think. Not so sure about the "cowboy" ideas) But it's not my event! Somebody else is organising something. Hurray! For that reason alone, I'd encourage everyone to support it. It will need experienced mappers and of course lots of inexperienced mappers to sign up to it. Tom has been promoting it to the wikipedians, but there's probably quite a few other people who have been waiting for a non-pub related non-hacking mapping related OpenStreetMap event. How to get the word out to those people? I've pondered training kind of event formats for a long time. Hope it works well.
Sat 1st & Sun 2nd December - Hack Weekend. The dates are not necessarily set yet, but this seems like the most likely weekend. It means it'll clash with Sanitation Hackathon (a humanitarian tech event), but it's the best weekend for OpenStreetMap hacker availability. If you're within range of London and interested in the technical side of OpenStreetMap ("internal" development or just using OSM data) then keep this weekend free. More details to come very soon hopefully.
And finally the Christmas Party 2012. We've got a wiki page so far at least. We should probably pick a date.
Phew! So thats the upcoming stuff.
The last London winter pub meet-up was at the Blue Posts. We had a small gathering but with a couple of new folks.
Aimee was along to learn about OSM and get ideas for possible projects. She's looking to do something map related for her MSC. We discussed "circular routing", choosing a route to go on a circular cycle/walk taking in some sights before looping back. The cyclestreets guys have done some work along these lines.
We also had Jack along. He was investigating the various ins and outs of running your own tile server (The kind of things introduced here on switch2osm). Andy was able to give him plenty of pointers. In particular he was asking about memory and other requirements when renting virtual machines, which is something Andy knows all about from running OpenCycleMap and transport map.
Also here's Andy with a banana:
We went for burritos later, and I forgot my bank card behind the bar, so we just had to go back and have more beers after that. No choice!
So tonight we'll be at the pub again. All the details on the wiki. We'll be in the Parcel Yard pub in the new bit of Kings Cross station. Something a bit different. Easy access for people entering/leaving London on the train! Come join us at this and/or any of the other events mentioned above.
The first London winter pub meet-up is TONIGHT. We've rolled over into "winter pub meet-up" mode, since the clocks have changed and the evenings are properly dim and dismal now. So join us tonight for... no mapping just beers!
Three weeks ago we had a "Summer" mapping evening. I got off a crowded tube train at Old Street and found I'd lost my android phone. Either dropped or pick-pocketed. So as I went outside and tried to gather some map data in the gathering winter darkness and pouring rain, around the stark tower blocks streets of St Luke's area, I gently sobbed to myself (*)
Imagine how my spirits were lifted as I arrived at the Wenlock Arms pub, to be greeted by a table full of OpenStreetMap friends, a wonderfully cosy atmosphere, a fine array of real ales, and a phone call to say "I've found your phone on the tube. D'you want to collect it tomorrow night?"
More OpenStreetMap friends arrived. We only had one little table but maybe 10-15 people! The Wenlock Arms is a small pub, but we were able to spread onto quite a few seats, plus a lot standing at bars etc, but still feeling like a nice cosy OpenStreetMap gathering. We also didn't really fit into one photo. This was our best attempt:
It was great to have Ed Freyfogle along, chief of Nestoria, chief of #geomob, and newly crowned foursquare mayor of the pub (he's a regular) And Matt was along too. Here you see his hair has grown back after the stress of the license change, but the french community have piled on some more DWG stress recently, so he's probably lost it all again :-( But this was 3 weeks ago, so Matt and Ed are laughing jovially ...and there's me:
I didn't take notes of our discussion topics this time (or if I did, I lost them) but I'm pretty sure we discussed the OS Locater musical chairs tool since ris was there. And with Ed we discussed Nestoria's uses of OpenStreetMap, and problems with tube station rendering (they're not shown prominently enough by MapQuest or osm 'standard' style) . Shaun was down from Ipswitch, and we even had Edward Betts back in London after several years away. In fact Edward was saying he attended the Map Limehouse event. 2005!
The Wenlock Arms pub is great, not least because they use OpenStreetMap on their website (a little bit), plus the fore-mentioned cosiness and ale selection, but one fatal problem is the lack of food options. We held out for quite a while, but eventually burritos called, although we left a small OSM team behind to do the pub quiz!
We probably would have had a pub meet-up a week ago, but that would have clashed with w3g conference. There were some OpenStreetMappers mingling in the geo-crowds there. And some OpenStreetMappy discussions. Personally I went a bit overboard on the pre-conference geobeers, so was hungover for the whole thing, but it was fun. Maybe got some people interested in coming along tonight?
Join us tonight at the Blue Posts on Newman Street from 7pm! Details here. I've given up trying to predict whether we'll get a big turn out. There's no logic to it. Could go either way. But I've always found small pub meet-ups are just as a fun as big ones. In theory we could look at how may people signed up on lanyrd but people don't all do this (c'mon! at least "track" the event!) But hey, four people so far. That aint bad.
(*) This is just dramatic storytelling. I didn't actually sob.
I was so hyper-enthused with a glowing sense of geotastic-all-conquering pride after last week's London pub meet-up, that I went ahead and set up the next pub meet-up. Yes. We've had the details on the wiki page two weeks in advance. How very well organised! Do come along and join us on Thursday 11th in a pub over in Hoxton.
But what was I so pleased about at last week's meet-up?
The Monkey Puzzle did a switch2osm! It was a sort of live-action-laptop-over-the-bar switch2osm.
I've chatted to the landlord, Gary, a few times before. He knows about those crazy guys who come to merrily drink with an "OpenStreetMap" sign on the table. And when I said they should switch from google maps to OpenStreetMap on the Monkey Puzzle website, he said "Errr. Yes... yes we should", and after some confused behind-the-bar discussions about who knew how to update the website and what that would involve, he went and fetched his laptop.
This was highly amusing to me at the time, but then I had had several pints. Presented with a very slowly loading wordpress admin interface I didn't try to do anything too fancy, but swapped out their google maps iframe and put in an OpenStreetMap one. Boom! switch2osm live and direct!
Check out the new themonkeypuzzlepub.co.uk contact page! The Monkey Puzzle was our favourite pub before, but this makes it the greatest OpenStreetMappiest pub in the whole of London for sure.
What else happened? As well as that, we had some good beer-fuelled map-chat in a tight circle, with not many people showing up (6 people). One of these was a new chap. Someone called Vin, who I had come across via n0tice. He's big into n0tice, and is using it to devise a concept he calls "**pubmapping**" involving stream-of-conciousness photoing and 'reporting' from a pub... or something. We tried it. Here is a our set of iPhone photos and other nonsense which I have "reposted" onto the "OpenStreetMap noticeboard". See how that works? ...no. Me neither. I did show him how we do pub mapping, using JOSM to highlight the pubs data gathered in the Paddington area. As an aside, on IRC yesterday ris pointed out this awesome changeset by a brand new user. Now that's pub mapping!
Vin explained that he was interested in capturing how a pub makes you feel, and this got us onto a conversation about "subjective" mapping. We try to avoid putting subjective data, such as ratings of pubs, into OpenStreetMap. Other similar ideas pop up all the time with greater or lesser merit. The H.O.T. list has debated whether measures of the risk of a disaster can be captured on a the map somehow, e.g. where a local resident anecdotally reports that an area is at risk of flood or landslide. All worthwhile data to capture somehow, but maybe not using the OpenStreetMap database directly. We could do with more tools like ushahidi which let people layer data on top of OpenStreetMap. Ushahidi handles data on temporary situational reports, which mostly wouldn't belong in OSM directly. Subjective data could be captured in similar (but not the same) tools.
We also got talking about radiation leaks and aeroplane crashes :-O
Oh and Grant was showing off his new head mounted camera
By the way I did also do some mapping beforehand, though I think I was the only one, and I was running late so just very quickly swung by on my bike and got a bunch of very blurry photos in the gathering darkness (it's getting to that time year again). But this was enough to check a few things I wasn't sure about while armchair mapping the building outlines. For example if you look at the bing imagery around this building it's not obvious whether it's attached to other buildings nearby or not. A very quick check on-the-ground makes for better data.
So we're going to Hoxton on Thursday 11th, all the details here. We'll be at the Wenlock Arms. Why did I choose this pub? The Wenlock Arms has been threatened with closure, with various outrageous plans to turn it into ...something other than a pub. Always sad. But actually we're continuing a switch2osm theme! wenlock-arms.co.uk has been linking to OpenStreetMap for a while now, so it's time we go reward them for this, and show our support by drinking a few beers there (That's the deal by the way, if there's any pub landlords reading this... switch2osm, and we'll come drink there!)
Also the pub is reasonably well placed for a mapping excursion. The area around Hoxton Square, further to the East is probably higher priority actually. (We really need to finish off the Shoreditch "tech city" area with building outlines. Individual mapping missions encouraged!) Around the Wenlock Arms the buildings have been filled in, but maybe not with a survey. not sure. Some more footpath details could be good, plus I see some buildings missing, so I've laid the cake slices out accordingly.
Join in with that if you fancy it, or just join us for a social meet-up, come along to meet and learn more about OpenStreetMap!
As I get psyched up ready for a London mapping session this evening (Listening to "Eye of the tiger". That sort of thing) I realise it's been an interesting few weeks...
Last week I went to Amsterdam and presented OpenStreetMap and H.O.T. at the PICNIC festival. Here's a video of the session. There's another interview video still to come I think. I'll blog some photos and more details about that. UPDATE: blog now here
Last Thursday I had been sprinkling a few comments around the web, on press coverage of Apples debut of their iOS6 maps. iPhone users the world over, were loudly complaining about apple's switch from google maps. This really shows how strong the big G's dominance of web & mobile mapping is. Phone users and also tech-savvy app developers are insistant upon google maps. It's hardwired deep into their psychology now, such that forcibly presenting a different map causes great upset. This is what OpenStreetMap is up against, but last week apple swung a battering ram at google's mappy castle. They may be annoyed but users and developers being liberated. They're experiencing a realisation that there is a choice of map providers. It's only a short leap of logic from there to go seek the open alternative. That's us! Over here!
So after spending the whole day pointing out what an evil grip google holds on people's map preferences (slagging off google essentially) on various forums, I half expected to be refused entry the google campus building for Thursdays #geomob. Maybe I thwarted them by turning up late. I caught the end of Lawrence's talk showing various old maps, and concepts for maps, particularly looking at "linear maps". Anyone done any more OSM experiments on Linear Maps to list on this wiki page?
Then "recce" guys presented their map. It's stunning, but be warned, it's not OpenStreetMap (boo). Actually if you want an OpenStreetMap-based similar thing, UK travel options has a similar 3D zoomy twisty finger swiping experience (and UK wide), but admittedly not as gorgeous as Recce's semi-realistic cartoony look.
In the pub afterwards I had a good chat with Bart Denny of recce, formally of google maps. He said he liked the idea of OpenStreetMap, but what's a good mobile app for contributing easily? I had no convincing answer to this question, and he was quite forthright in his criticism of OpenStreetMap for failing to get this sorted out. Now admittedly I'm not an expert on all the apps available (who is?) but I had to agree with him, that we really badly need better mobile apps for contributing to OSM.
He had a theory (which he also stated in relation to Recce, and his previous work at google) that map data gathering is about to become very smartphone-based and that the problem of building a complete and accurate representation of the world will largely disappear. Phones are already powerful enough and widespread enough that map providers could get their users to capture data with a simple panoramic sweep of their camera (and some very clever optical recognition) Who owns that data is still a question. If OpenStreetMap can stay in the game it can eventually win out by offering it as open data. But we have a little way to go before that!
We have an opportunity to grab some attention of iPhone users who are looking around for better map apps, but it's an opportunity we're missing a little bit because our list of iOS apps is a bit confusing. We're listing some quite old apps, some which don't work any more, some which have nothing to do with OpenStreetMap except that they can be used for recording tracks. It's quite difficult to find the gems in there. Those doing interesting things with offline data or vector data (the OpenStreetMap advantage) or those with editing capabilities. A lot of the wiki pages need a bit of a rewrite, sometimes with obvious formatting / info from the appstore (see Wiki Maintainance Tasks ), ideally by actually installing the app to test what it actually does. Who wants to help?
I started doing this and happened upon DirectU (now with some wiki description). It's a free app which gives me the whole of Europe (or other regions) for offline viewing. Rather like MapDroyd but working on ipod touch. Nice!
We're also not doing too well at documenting and promoting the "upgrade path" for iOS developers to use various libraries for embedding OpenStreetMap. There's a list of options here, but maybe we need to compose some new pages for switch2osm.org on this topic. Lots to do!
But for now... I need to go to the pub! No doubt we'll chat about some of these issues while eating the nice steak pie they do at the Monkey Puzzle. If you're in London, come join us (TONIGHT!)
What's been happening lately? Oh yeah...
We've finally changed the license! Hurray!
On the foundation blog I've been posting quite a lot about the license change process, as we in Communication Working Group have been working to ensure that this channel is a useful place to get "official" (carefully worded) updates on this sort of thing. Obviously in this capacity it's important to be positive about it, but I'd just like to say from a personal perspective...
We've finally changed the license! Hurray!
The best thing about this is... we don't ever have to talk abut the license change ever again! No doubt there'll be lots of talk about the new license, but the fact is... it's done. The license change sucked so much energy from the community and particularly from people who are core to making things happen in OpenStreetMap. So many ideas have been on hold while we battled with this thing. Thank goodness it's over. I really need to go to the pub to celebrate (more on that later)
The Society of Cartographers conference also happened. This was maptastic, and quite OpenStreetMappy. In fact the very first talk was from David Earl (Freelance) - Project Drake: new maps for The University of Cambridge using OpenStreetMap. Steven Feldman talked about OSM and a bit about OSMGB. I blogged here about my little workshop on using OpenStreetMap data While I was doing that Andy Allan was doing a workshop on TileMill, which I wanted to go to. And on the third day as part of the ICA neocartography conference we had Richard Fairhurst presenting the Unstoppable Advance of OpenStreetMap including the awesome neo Steve Chilton slide:
Lots more map stuff besides, also chocolate muffins, and a tour on an open top bus. It was a pretty great conference. Not as great as State Of The Map obviously. Would've loved to be in Tokyo. In October I wont be going all the way to SOTM U.S. either, but SOTM Scotland could be a goer!
The vote for the board happened. I didn't actually vote in the end. Couldn't make up my mind. Some U.S. representation on the board would've been good. Kate would've been great on the board, though she's already very busy being great for HOT. Alex could've brought some of that shiny MapBox magic to the core of the project. But congratulations to Frederik and Simon. They're both very well known as massive contributors to the project, and people with strong opinions and powerful arguments about how the project should be run. They'll do great things in the driving seat I'm sure, but also this will maybe help make more German and Swiss OSMers feel involved in the OSMF a little more (e.g. joining the working groups) which could be a great boost.
I'm in Amsterdam next week for the PICNIC conference where I'll be presenting OpenStreetMap and HOT.
Also next week on Thursday it's #geomob, this time hosted at the google campus. Dunno if there's any google related geo presentations lined up. Time for some heckling? I'm sure it will be a geo-treat as ever, and will involve a pub.
All of this means that, despite my desire to have a good OpenStreetMap pub celebration, I'm not very free until the week after. If somebody wants to organise a OSMLondon meet-up before that, next Tuesday could be a good day, but I'm coming back from Amsterdam late that day. Whatever happens the OSMLondon event details are on the wiki page
Thanks to those who came along and helped me celebrate my birthday with a big BBQ again. Thanks especially to Alex who crafted a custom rendered map birthday card for me:
That was a couple of weeks ago. Time flies, and I've been a bit slow to organise stuff, but THIS SATURDAY it's already time to for a birthday celebration for OpenStreetMap!:
So far we're partying in Toronto Canada, Cleveland Ohio U.S., Lisbon Portugal, and of course London! I've just picked a pub, trying to think of one with some scope for enjoying sunshine and/or views of the river. The good old Doggets on the South Bank. As we're partying on a Saturday, hopefully lots of people can make it, even if you're travelling into London from afar. Do it! You know you want to! And get in touch if you want some cheap couch surfing accommodation. Add yourself on lanyrd to make the event look more popular. As ever I'm hoping we'll get some interesting new folks, including maybe people who are just a little curious about OpenStreetMap. Who should we be inviting along?
And, as I often seem to accidentally prove, you can organise an OpenStreetMap party at quite short notice, so for those elsewhere in the world, now is the time to add your city to the list and help make this a worldwide party! Which german city will be the first to set something up??
A few weeks back (Thu July 19th) we had a little London Summer evening mapping session around Chancery Lane and a pub meet-up at the Penderel's Oak. I probably should've written about some of the conversations closer to the time because the timing was interesting, but things have moved on. We were right in the middle of the redaction bot run at that point. Up until the the day before, I had been assuming that the redactions wouldn't have reached London by this date. In my slice of the cake I had already deleted bad building outlines data and remapped them from bing, just in time, it turns out, to give the bot a little less redacting to do. By the time we were out mapping that evening, the bot had aleady delt with the whole of the UK, most of europe and the U.S. (it's now complete of course)
This was the top topic of conversation in the pub. There was some relief and satifaction that things were going smoothly and the bot was running quite quickly. It had been widely predicted that speed was going to be more of an issue. We might have been watching my progress map for months and months, but by this evening it had become clear that the we'd be finished in a matter of days not months. It had also become clear that my progress map was going to be showing rather too many vector objects for most browsers to cope with. I had spotted this flaw from the beginning, but was expecting to have a week or so to figure out a solution!
While the bot was running there was a danger that it would whip up a frenzy of pointlessly alarmist complaints about things like which order it was processing the world in, so it was a relief that these were rendered mute by the speed of the bot's progress. Haiti was granted a special delay for a few days because people asked nicely, but even there, the editing community probably came to a realisation that actually remapping gets a whole lot easier when it's just a matter of filling in gaps. At this stage Poland was also being delayed because of a glitch with the whitelisting and blacklisting there.
In the pub (The Penderel's Oak big wetherspoons in Holborn) we had quite a big crowd, so lots of other topics of conversation. Thanks to Alex for getting some photos
Steve Chilton was there. He's organising the Society Of Cartographers annual conference in London in September. I went to one of these down in Plymouth. Very friendly and enjoyable conference for anyone interested in map making. I recommend it! And it's coming to London (Hosted at UCL)
Martin Cyclestreets was there (not his real name) He was chatting to me about the latest cyclestreets developments. Some frustrations with OpenLayers and things which seem to be a whole lot easier in leaflet (popups were mentioned in particular) He's hoping to drum up some more support for the England Cycling Data Project and he's made a nice screencast of the fat lines merging feature. Maybe we should all chip in and work on improving OSMs cycling data in the UK, because the big G have very recently announced new support for cycle routing in the UK using data given to them by sustrans. On the other hand their routing is a bit lame. What a shame they don't use OpenStreetMap data. What a shame the very large and well funded UK cycling charity sustrans, pay no attention to OpenStreetMap and OpenCycleMap whatsoever.
We had a new chap along in the pub whose name I forget, but he was interested in tube transport data, something I do a bit of work with myself. He was asking, could OpenStreetMap (or something) be used to build up a 3D picture of underground tunnels, including pedestrian access tunnels? I did show him this nifty 3D underground thingy, which is not OpenStreetMap powered. Not open data at all in fact. boo! But it is really neat. Could be done with OSM, but putting this much underground detail (and levels/depth info) into our map data would make for some confusing clutter.
He was also talking about measuring crowdedness on tube trains by firing lasers through the carriages. He was imagining a project TfL could do, but I was already plotting a more grassroots "unnofficial" laser data gathering project :-)
So this was a little catch up on a previous London event. There is another one I'm still to catch up on, and there'll be more news of...
The OpenStreetMap Anniversary Party plans for London (just as soon as I've thought what those plans might be) . This is the BIG pub meet-up of the year. Keep the date free (Sat 18th) and make plans to travel to London if you're within range. If you're not within range, head to the Toronto one, or maybe you need to throw your own OpenStreetMap Anniversary Party in your corner of the globe!
Last week we had a London Summer OpenStreetMap event near smithfields. Although close to my office, it was a great urban explorational experience for me again. I was mapping St Bart's Hospital (here), which I hadn't particularly ever noticed before. A mix of old buildings around a nice square in the middle, a new bit with a sneakily hidden cafe, and lots of big new construction.
Actually I wasn't mapping it, I was remapping it. It's easy to forget that though, if you delete the red data in separate operation beforehand (which feels quite destructive), then later come back and imagine it was never there. You're left with a nice new patch, and it feels like new mapping.
Of course there'll be plenty more "nice new patches" pretty soon, when the license change redaction bot does it's thing. With Andy Allan and Matt Amos both in attendance at the pub, redaction bot development was a top topic. It's become a bit meaningless to say "it's nearly there", partly because we've always been wrong, but partly because we can break down the development and testing of this thing into many stages. But Andy's been making some great progress see rebuild list posts and we're expecting to be running the bot on some real data imminently. In the pub we were discussing this, but Andy was also cautioning not to get too excited. There's plenty of things which could go wrong requiring some re-coding.
We had along Mike (user ViewFromTheBoundary) who is interested in using OpenStreetMap for a website about opera houses. He had done some rendering investigations, but was confused by the project documentation and the confusing array of alternative approaches. Coming along to an OSM meet-up is a great way to cut to the chase! He had been experimenting with a thing called "Generic Mapping Tools", a set of tools with a bad name. Looked like he'd had some success with basic zoomed out road maps. We were chatting about various map display options. The basic markers/mash-up approach versus raster tile rendering versus static map images. Andy Allan was offering advice. Since he's been providing the transport map and setting up thunderforest.com, he's now happy to be known as "the guy that does worldwide custom OSM tile rendering", rather than just "the guy that does OpenCycleMap".
At the data end of this problem Mike was encountering familiar problems of tagging inconsistencies. I think arts venue tagging isn't all that well decided. Heck there isn't even a properly documented tag for an art gallery at the moment (due to too many tag ideas rather than too few). Mike was saying he has some datasets which could be imported. I suggested the "community import" approach, presenting the data and letting mappers to decide how to merge it in on a case by case basis. Shaun used to have a nice example of this with "Bike Shop Locator". Seems to be offline at the moment though.
Speaking of Shaun (the excessively bearded man in the above picture), he's taking a new job at itoworld and it sounds like he's going to be working on "the fun stuff", OpenStreetMap and their work with map renderings and data QA tools. Awesome! But it means he's leaving London and heading to that mysterious place at the start of the 2008 year of edits video. Shaun seems to cycle the length and breadth of the country twice a week anyway, so I'm sure we'll be seeing him.
Paul the archivist is also leaving London. He's done some great detailed mapping in his time down here, but his archiving contract came to an end so he's heading back home to Derby and searching for archiving pastures new. If you have an archiving opportunity, Paul the archivist is your man! Maybe he'll find something in London again, or hopefully somewhere which needs lots of mapping at least!
It's been rainy as hell in London lately, but we were fortunate to hit upon a warm (humid) evening last Wednesday. On Saturday 4th August I'll be having a BBQ round my house. By then we'll surely be having some summer weather right? So keep that date free, and I'll give you some more details. But let's squeeze in another pub meet-up / mapping evening between now and then. How about next Thursday 19th? Suggested locations anyone? Details will be announced on the wiki page.
London's map is still looking like a bloodbath when you look at the OSM Inspector License Change View and there's not much time left to sort this out before the redaction bots do their thing and sort it out in one big chop. However the bloodbath view is a little misleading. Zoom in and you see patches of building outlines are the main cause of red blotches in central London for example. Easy enough to sort those out. Building outlines would have been mostly put in purely via armchair mapping with bing imagery.
Speaking of which, a few weeks back bing removed their super-hi-res imagery over London, leaving us only with the kind-of-hi-res imagery which was newer but more shadowy, and generally much harder to pick out details in. I suspected this would be a temporary thing, and today I was pleased to discover that the super-hi-res is back, but newly updated. They've now eliminated the kind-of-hi-res imagery set, and made the lower zooms more consistent, with no jarring changes or offset problems while zooming. Here's what Fenchurch Street station (here) looked like last week versus now.
But I don't have an image of how it looked three weeks ago. Back then we had similar super-hi-res, but older.
It's tempting to just sit back and see where the building outlines disappear when the license tainted data is removed, and then fill in some gaps using bing when the time comes.
However it is better to do remapping because we can do a better job of it (survey!) where it was only sketched from bing before, and in some places we need to try to avoid losing too much of the tagging data which has been added to the building outlines over time, after being initially sketched by a non-agreer. That's true of this area around St Paul's where we're going mapping this evening.
I feel bad that I haven't been sorting out this area on my lunchbreaks. I guess I need a pub prize at the end of it all to motivate me, and pub a prize we shall have in form of way 146986827 The Butchers Hook and Cleaver. Clever name you see, because it's right by the Smithfields meat market. See what they've done there? Come join us for beers and map chat. Join us for (re)mapping beforehand if you fancy it. Also I can meet people at 6:30 and give a mapping demonstration if this is requested (so far nobody this time) ...But if it all sounds too confusing you're very welcome to just see us in the pub. All the details. See you TONIGHT??!
On Thursday we had one of our regular London OpenStreetMap events. Standard stuff, but this one turned out a little different. We had quite a low turn out of people who normally regularly turn out, but then three new folks coming along, all of whom opted to join me for a data collection demonstration.
Happily it stopped raining and cleared up nicely in time for mapping. My cake slice slice number 6505 of cake number 116 involved some building mapping and remapping, for a bunch of big office buildings including the thing I always call "the Natwest tower", more properly known as "Tower 42". Tallest building in the city until the new Heron tower was built. When I say the city I mean "The City" financial area of London. Canary Wharf is taller, and is also in this city known as London, but not in "The City" if you know what I mean. Anyway I'd never looked around the base of this building. It's quite interesting. Various complicated 3D arrangements of buildings which will be nightmare to input in all their detail. Also multi-level walkways, which I found quite interesting to explore. They are looking horribly run-down due to being made in concrete which looks messily stained thirty years on, and with drainage problems. There was also signs on the walkways saying "no public right or way" and "no through route". I don't know if they are looking so shabby because they are disused, or we're disallowed from using them because they are shabby. Seems a shame. If only there were some wealthy financial institutions nearby who might spend a bit of money tidying it all up. Anyway, with signs dutifully ignored, we had fun exploring (me and the three people I was demonstrating to)
In the Crosse Keys pub we sat at a tall the table in the corner and admired the cavernous vastness of it. Many hundreds of cubic metres of glorious wetherspoonsness:
I had the feeling the three people I'd been demonstrating to all knew a thing or two about mapping already. Thomas from MapAction is obviously a GISer. I really hope we can make him into more of an OSMer, along with other MapAction folks. Florian was asking lots of questions about different mobile apps to track with, and had obviously tried a bit of mapping before. And then there was Tom Morris who quickly whipped out his laptop and used JOSM on the wetherspoons wifi to input some of the data we'd gathered!
Lots of interesting conversations with Tom actually. We got talking about his local mapping of countryside footpaths around Tunbridge Wells, and also...
Tom Morris is very involved in the wikipedia community. Long time contributor to the Wikipedia Signpost community newsletter. In his admining roles he gets embroiled in endless debates on many and varied topics which come up when you're trying to collaborate on writing the entire canon of human knowledge.
It's pretty interesting to look at some of the policies and power structures they have in place. These are big and complex, and it feels like wikipedia is building a government, which on the one hand is pretty impressive (I find it amazing), but on the other hand it's widely criticised as heavyweight and bureaucratic. We were particularly chatting about the notability criteria, which seems to create a lot of debate, and whether there would ever be a parallel for that in OpenStreetMap. Given that we map the real world as it is, there's less to debate, but I wonder whether deciding on a maximum level of detail is a bit like deciding on notability.
If you're interested in polices and power structures of wikipedia and how they compare to OSM (also in relation to funding and staffing choices) have a read of Frederik's 'learning from wikipedia' essay.
Incidentally discussion came up in this thread a couple of days ago, of whether or not OSM's messaging system could follow wikipedia's public "user talk page" approach. I think we should go this way, and I'd like to chat about it some more. Is this one for the 'design' mailing list?
And speaking of mailing list discussion, we also chatted about how OSM is perceived within the wikipedia community. Tom Morris was saying there'd been a discussion recently prompted by the TomTom thing. found it here. Some of the usual criticisms of OSM there, but on the whole it seems like wikipedia folks are getting in on the OpenStreetMap fun a bit more these days. Their new virtualised clusters of development tool servers known as 'wikimedia labs' already include some OpenStreetMap rendering experiments (see the OpenStreetMap mention here), and Tom hinted there may be more of that to come. Collaboration of the collaborations!
We'll announce the next London OpenStreetMap summer event on the wiki page and on @OSMLondon. As ever I'm pondering whether an event of a different format should happen, and who could help organise it, and what venues could we use, but in couple of weeks time I'm sure we'll just go to a pub again. And that will be whole lot of fun anyway :-) (other suggestions welcome!)
We had a bit of a lull in the OSMLondon events while I was away. I was away in Brasil as previously described here and away in Washington on a HOT board strategy meeting as mentioned on the HOT blog and in my #geomob talk. As well as HOT strategising, we were presenting at geoDC, panelling at the Wilson Centre, workshopping at the world bank, and taking the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team to the highest levels of government:
That was all a while ago now. #geomob was a geotastic follow up back here in London. Besides my HOT talk there were three other talks, this time not quite as OSMish, but still mucho mappy followed by pub. And then finally there was...
The first of the London Summer OpenStreetMap events. As it happened it coincided with what felt like the beginning of summer, so very pleasant to be hitting the streets to do a bit of mapping around Shoreditch. I was showing the ropes to somebody new. As usual while talking and mapping I didn't do a very good job of it, and missed out all the best bits I actually needed to map. I shall have to pop back there on my lunch-break some time.
Then we gathered at the Strongroom Bar. I remembered going to this place on some previous occasion. It has a pleasant kind of alleyway place for drinking outdoors. It's typically shoreditch hip and trendy and the high priced drinks paid the salaries of bar staff with particularly hip hair styles, who served drinks really slowly. So that was annoying, but as we find in loads of places, it got better when the afterwork crowd eased off, and we sat inside at a table.
Paul the archivist brought with him, not one, but two different print publications featuring many OpenStreetMap maps. The Crossrail information magazine is apparently available for free from the cross rail information centre and uses five or six map images of different crossrail sites across London. Then a book, the CAMRA Manchester Pub Guide with a loads of Manchester maps. Presumably not very far outside the city centre. Those areas are ranking poorly on mapping completeness (Need more Manchester mappers!)
Paul also suggested a pub for the next London summer event. This'll be cheaper. It's a weatherspoons! The Crosse Keys is also situated nicely in a patch of missing building details in The City (map ) and also a lot of red patches which are soon to be redacted (Looks bad, but it's mostly low value building outlines. Easily replaced).
So we'll do another evening mapping party there next week on Thursday. All the details here. I've set the pub meeting time to 7:30 to give us a tad more mapping time. Let me know if you'd like to learn how mapping works and meet me at 6:30pm for a demo. For the rest you, the usual deal. Sign up for a slice of the cake. Do some mapping then head to the pub! Know anyone who lives outside London in a Liverpool Street station direction? Tell them about the event!
Additionally there's an AGI event tomorrow night. A lecture at 6pm and then the geodrinks from 7:30. It's kind of an "geo industry" thing, which might sound boring to some people, but these folks are always interested in chatting about OpenStreetMap, so I reckon I'll go do that! See the kind of people who've signed up, and sign up yourself! (required)
I've just arrived in Washinton D.C. now, but that's another story. I've been away in Brazil having a nice holiday, but not really a holiday from OpenStreetMap. no no no. Lots of mapping. And even some OpenStreetMap meet-ups!
While packing in a bit of a hurry I managed to forget my GPS unit. My poor old NaviGPS has been languishing unused for so long, I'm not even sure where it is any more. But I did have my android phone for mapping, and I recently learned...
- When the android GPS icon is flashing, it doesn't have a location. It doesn't flash each time it's sampling or anything like that. When it's flashing it has no GPS lock yet. My phone can take a good couple of minutes to get a GPS lock and stop flashing
- When the GPS icon stops flashing and is on permanently, it works quite well, and stays on assuming (I guess) you're running an app which asks for the location often
- The Power widget lets you toggle GPS to switch it on, but this more like 'enabling' it. It won't even begin getting a lock until an app first asks for a location.
- This means for example when I first select "My Location" in MapDroyd it has no hope of telling me my location!
In fact I'm sure those things should've been obvious, but I guess I just didn't bother paying attention until recently. My phone (a cheap £100 Orange San Francisco AKA ZTE Blade) is a bit slow, which irritates me to the point of not bothering quite a lot of the time. Maybe this influenced my choice of tracking apps. oruxmaps has worked for me in the past (the recommendation here ), but I used OSMTracker throughout this holiday. Seems quite nice and simple. In fact the features could be stripped down further for my purposes. I just used it for recording a track, while doing photo mapping using my seperate camera.
The other thing I tried out was downloading maps into Mapdroyd using the 'Via PC' button. It works, unlike direct downloads into the app which have become very unreliable lately. I dont know if this is due to problems at the CloudMade server end. 'Via PC' works but is a bit convoluted It's a shame the reliability/ease of the download is holding back this awesome app from taking OSM to lots of mainstream users. Anyway mapdroyd gave me an OSM map of Brazil for the holiday, and it seems to be pretty up-to-date.
This included recently sketched in unnamed roads for pretty much the whole of Guarulhos , where my girlfriend's family lives. I've done some mapping in Guarulhos on previous trips, but I recently got into an amusing conversation with a foursquare superuser (somebody who spends their life contributing to foursquare and takes it very seriously) who was criticising OpenStreetMap and complaining that the Guaruhlos map was rubbish. At that time is was pretty rubbish. The map had maybe a quarter of the city's roads sketched in from bing, and just handful of those with names which I'd gathered. User:Toi spotted this discussion and responded proactively with a mammoth armchair mapping sprint to map the whole of Guaruhlos. Nice! Just need to work on the road names now. I got chance to bag lots more road names while out there. Still need to enter them in.
I also mapped as we went along on a week long trip to Paraty and visiting many surrounding beaches on the beautiful mountian jungle coastline just north of São Paulo. I like the native indian places names: Ubatuba and Caraguatatuba. There's a geo-attraction in Ubatuba: A marker thing for the line of the tropic of capricorn. There's also this shop helpfully providing it's latitude and longitude! I mapped things like this, plus general city mapping helped by bing in Ubatuba, but no bing for Paraty (Brazil has funny stripes of bing coverage ) Some stuff was on the map already. The most striking omission was...
Beaches! ("Praias" in portguese) The towns and suburbs on the coast are all characterized by their beaches, and often named after them "Praia xxxx", so for anyone other than a passing motorist, a meaningful map of the area needs natural=beach areas drawn in, It's an easyish armchair mapping challenge, particuarly where bing is available, and it made me wonder why nobody had done it yet in this area, and also could it be a fun topic of a coordinated sprint, like the big baseball project? I say easy-ish because it's not quite as easy as a baseball pitch. Although beaches are easy to spot, even in landsat imagery, you have to attach them to the coastline way in a slightly fiddly manner, and the slower coastline rendering update cycle can create confusion. The coastline way itself needed refining in this area, and that of course is a massive wordwide and fractally endless armchair mapping task, but this area still had a lot of coarse PGS coastline despite bing coverage.
And then there was the São Paulo meet-ups! I've managed to do a little OSM meet-up on the past three times I've been there. They laughed about how they don't actually organise meet-ups and don't see eachother except when I'm in the country. This time we bounced emails around in circles to try to pick a good time, but seemed to fail. Just me and Claudomiro made it to the actual OSM meet-up, but with numbers boosted by some other friends who (of course) we tried to persuade to become OSMers.
But then I spotted that the Open Knowledge Foundation were running an event the day before I was leaving. Pizzas, cervejas, and dados abertas!. I think this was a big coincidence. I've been to a couple of OKFN events in London, and the main man Rufus Pollock happened to be in São Paulo at this time, where OKFN are setting up a brazilian branch. They'd also been on tour, attending an open data government conference in Brasilia. This is the same conference I noticed Mapbox guys tweeting from and doing mapping at. But at this event we sat around on beanbags discussing open data, with beers and pizzas, in a funky place called 'Casa da cultura digitale', which is also host to the São Paulo hackspace
And the OSMers were out in force. Claudomiro, Diogo, and Vitor all made it along. Even my girlfriend was helping to explain OSM (I'm so proud). I had the impression some open data passion was taking hold in Brazil, and we were there at the start of something. Having lots of OSMers there is good way to get the word out and embed OpenStreetMap as a part of the open data culture. OSM Londoners should keep an eye out for the next OKFN events there
At the moment though OSMLondoners will be wondering when the summer events will kick off! If nobody else is setting something up... you'll just have to wait, because although I came back from my OSMtastic trip to Brazil, I'm now out in Washington D.C. for a week. This trip promisis to be OSMtastic also, but more on that later.
I didn't organise a London OpenStreetMap meet-up in a while. The last one was in ye olde cheshire cheese last month. As usual Alex got some great photos, and me... slightly less so (on flickr)
I really like this pub, but it is a bit loud and echoey when it's crowded like this. We shouted some interesting conversation at each other though:
Derick was thinking about how to build a tool for vandalism/mistake detection, i.e. a tool which analyses edits as they come in and flags up ones which seem a bit bogus. Some basic heuristics should be quite easy, but he was finding some limitations with the basic API calls for retrieving objects, areas, and changesets. In particular you can't easily identify an edit which moves a node, or get the location where the node has moved from. This information would be interesting to display for a particular changeset, it could even be added to the changeset displays on the website somehow, but at the moment the old location of a node requires a history call (for each node you're interested in). Obviously there's more intensive solutions involving syncing with diffs or crunching the history dump data, but perhaps seeing where a node has moved should be easier.
At work I've recently come to the end of a project to develop a native iPhone app, and weirdly I'm itching to develop something else, even though I don't really like apple's closed platform, and I had a lot of struggles learning iPhone development. Maybe it's because of those struggles. So we talked about ideas for simple OSM apps. At the moment there's quite a few ideas which would still fill a gap. It seems weird to me that MapZen POI collector remains the best OSM editor for iPhone... even though in many ways it's really not that good. Although the simplicity is awesome, and I actually think limiting to POIs rather than geometry is a good move, this kind of app could be extended to include OpenStreetBugs reporting / finding, and maybe offline operation, in terms of not needing an internet connection to load the background maps, and also storing changes for review and upload later. There's also "gaps in the market" for more simple non-editing apps using OSM data e.g. for local search. As usual I'm talking about these things, but probably won't get around to doing anything.
We talked about remapping needed in London. Derick's been heading out and knocking off a few priority areas. There's still a few tube line related problems, and most importantly we were noting that some pubs need to be re-mapped!
We also talked about London mapping in relation to Alex's proposal to armchair map more building outlines. I'm supportive of the idea provided it's done carefully. If this sounds horrific, and you despise all armchair mapping ideas, I have to tell you your opinions are not currently very well reflected in the comments there, or on the 'armchair mapping' wiki page discussions. As for the opinions in the pub, I think I actually missed this conversation (mainly because it was too loud, and I was shouting one-on-one with somebody else at the time). What was the conclusion? Anyway it's always good to have some map printouts spread over the table. Alex brought some along to discuss buildings coverage, including an interesting one highlighting those buildings which have not been touched, and are presumably of a low accuracy, since bing imagery superseded yahoo's.
Things did quieten down. In fact towards closing time we suddenly had the place to ourselves and had a good intense brainstorming session on the topic of OpenStreetMap events in London. How to attract new folks to our pub meet-ups? I think the overriding conclusion was that we need to try mix things up with some different event formats. We need to do presentations and mini-OSM-conferences. We need to do things at the weekends sometimes. We need to have training/workshop sessions for new editors, as well as more technical developer events. Or we need to just meet in cafes and libraries instead of pubs on occasions.
I've certainly pondered these things plenty, but I've rarely deviated from the tried and tested pub formula. I feel like other things would require at least two or three people to say "I'm in" much more positively. Other types of events tend to require some more complex logistics. The venue in particular. I always thought the easiest way to achieve the same thing, would be to piggy-back on other people's events. There's certainly enough generic tech meet-ups, hack events & presentation events etc in London that we can go along to and hijack for our own purposes. So I've tried to post some of these as listed OSMLondon events (the one's I'm thinking of going to myself) but generally with limited buy-in from everyone else.
But perhaps this summer we will experiment a little more. I've already broken the mould a little bit by setting up a wiki page called "London/Summer 2012 events". That's right! This summer it's not a "Mapping party marathon". It's a set of hopefully varying types of event.
Now obviously I should have set up a pub meet-up for the "end of the winter", but license change shenanigans and various other announcements have created a disturbance in the force and my powers have been weakened... and right now I'm on holiday in Brazil! I'm getting a good summery feeling right now (too hot!) but this means that the London summer events 2012 will have to be kicked off by somebody else. How about it OSMlondoners?
Last time we had a pub meet-up at the blue posts, where we got a table in the very quiet upstairs area. All the better for map chat.
Martin from cyclestreets was there. He showed us a couple of exciting cyclestreets initiatives. They've funded the development of (hired Andy Allan to create) a feature of Potlatch 2 for merging in tags from a vector dataset. This should be generically useable for a range of "community import" type activities (having a parallel dataset as a source and selectively bringing in data to OpenStreetMap) but the work was specifically aimed at letting us use a cycling dataset from the DfT and to bring in extra tags giving things like the widths of cycle lanes. Clearly this is not data we can just automatically import (the approach some folks will all too quickly reach for). This P2 feature lets us be more careful and selective, blending new information with our locally gathered data.The data is shown as a seperate layer with geometries appearing as very wide lines which can be selected.
Martin also showed us a new brochure they had been working on which looked pretty cool. It had a cycling slant in some of the introductary pages, and a Scotland slant too, but mostly (as intended) it will work well as generic OpenStreetMap promotion leading into beginner documentation on how to contribute to OpenStreetMap, with some nice real-world photographic examples.
We talked about some upcoming syadmin challenges. The current database server 'smaug' has developed some faults. This coupled with some other considerations, will mean we need to move the main database onto the new server. Moving the data across is a bit tricky. The only safe way to do it will be to put things in read only mode for a period of a few days while the data is copied across as a pgdump piped across to the other server. I wondered whether there might be any way of avoiding the read-only period, but there isn't really. The problem is the database is not just the geodata. It's users and sessions and things like this. We'd also want to be moving to a later postgres version. It won't be possible to ask the two machines to do "clustering" because of the version mismatch. There will soon be some announcements about downtime for this work (By the way, this is me "backseat sysadmining". I actually have no idea about this stuff and I'm glad it's not me doing it. For details you'd have to ask the sysadmins)
They were having some downtime in the kitchen of this Blue Posts that night, so we had to make alternative food plans. Even though Matt wasn't there we went for Burritos, so I made sure I got some juicey burrito photos to taunt Matt with:
Over burritos we got the rather excellent news that Foursquare did a switch2osm!. Foursquare are big. 15 million users. And although they only switched their website, not their apps (which many users experience foursquare through most of the time), that's still a great boost to the number of users seeing our maps. That's what we do it for! They're using a MapBox tile server, so presumably this will pick-up changes and re-render. The custom map style does of course not show any OpenStreetMap POI data, that's where things would get a bit confusing for all those foursquare users who are busy building and maintaining Foursquare's closed database of "check-in venues". We can hope though, that some small percentage of foursquare users will look into contributing to OpenStreetMap as a result of this switch. Great news!
All of this spurred another discussion about Google Map Maker and features for fixing google's POI locations (in the UK there are features to do this, but not going by the "Map Maker" name). Some of those eating burritos had experimented with google map making (traitors!) and wondered how the verification works (and why bother) when some contributions are based on local knowledge, with nothing in the aerial imagery to back them up. Also they noticed variations in the the length of time it took to have changes verified from a couple of months to just a couple of days, perhaps depending on some trust metrics, or perhaps whenever the indian map maker minions get around to it. Google have a lot of paid indians doing map maker moderation. They also have a lot of unpaid indians contributing to their closed google-owned data. Google should use OpenStreetMap. All the unpaid Indians definately should. switch2osm!
Here's a future pub discussion we should have: Alex has put forward a plan for an armchair mapping initiative related to building outlines in central London. OSMLondoners please have a read and comment. Obviously this leads into the broader discussion of "armchair mapping" in general. I recently tried to lay out a wiki page on 'armchair mapping'. At the moment I've heard strong criticism from pro-armchair mappers who say this is too negative. But I beleive it to be a sensible set of guidelines and an even reflection of some opposing viewpoints on the matter. Tell me what you think on the 'Talk' page there. But how does all of this apply to the London building outlines idea? A good one to chat about over some beers perhaps.
And speaking of building outlines some people are getting itchy mapping feet as the daylight is coming back in the evenings now. I didn't pick a pub near a massive amount of mapping, but there is a sprinkling of data which needs re-mapping in this area (bad map OSMI) Quite a few building outlines among other things. This is fortuitously located around the neighbourhood of Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese. Join us back in those cosy caverns on Thursday! All the details on the wiki page.
The London OpenStreetMap pub meet-up is such a recent event it didn't happen yet! but it will happen TONIGHT. Now let's work backwards through some other London geo-goings-on in reverse chronological order:
Agi geodrinks were good. AGI events tend to be a great opportunity for mingling with geo industry folks, many of whome are interested in learning more about OpenStreetMap and perhaps even doing some geo-business. Andy Allan and I were there trying to do this, but mostly we accidentally ended up talking about OpenStreetMap between ourselves as usual. Good fun though. We did get chatting to someone who had a inflatable globe, and also with Nick Austin about a possible OSM event run by/for Swindon Council. More details on that soon hopefully.
I also went along to a MySociety pubmeet last Wednesday. I had intended to swing by very briefly to see what was going on, but ended up staying around for lots of fun and interesting conversations. Some of this was around open transport data which mysociety has an interest in for FixMyTransport, and I have an interest in for my work at placr.co.uk, but I also got chatting with Tom Steinberg about various OpenStreetMap things, and about ways of appealing to non-techy mainstream audiences by offering the kind of stripped down simple UX which MySociety is good at. He suggested an app which allowed map users to "say thanks" to mappers in a particular area. Nice idea. In general I'd say there should be better social interaction features and better, less obscure, ways of discovering who's been active in an area. Yes all of the ways listed here are obscure. I also chatted about an old MySociety project called GroupsNearMe, which I used to like. It had a interesting mapping element, but they've mothballed that project.
But the daddy of all geo-goings-on was #geomob! We enjoyed three OpenStreetMap themed talks this time, and even the talk which wasn't OpenStreetMap themed (DoomsdayMap project), made mention of OpenStreetMap. Now that's what I call geodomination! Ed Freyfogle spoke about Nestoria switching to OpenStreetMap. He had an amusing web analytics graph showing the spike in interest that this blog post attracted back in December. Quite a story, and it triggered the whole switch2osm thing.
Off the back of this talk it was very appropriate for Matt to talk about his work at MapQuest, on architecting their tile servers to scale for massive tile traffic while still bringing in minutely updates from OpenStreetMap. Not an easy thing. The approach involves bundling up mapnik, webserver, tile queueing/caching system to run on one machine template which can then be duplicated to scale sideways, but then caching and queueing gets shared across the cluster so... all a bit complicated. If you have many servers to try this kind of thing out on (??), you'll be interested to know that Matt published their rendering stack as open source.
Benedikt Groß & Bertrand Clerc gave a talk about their weird and whacky project to warp the London map (OpenStreetMap of course) to align with people's perceptions, and more recently to align with the tube map schematic layout. Their blog post explains some more including some nice animations of the warp, but mostly I'd recommend zooming in on the slippy map view. Quite fascinating in the bits of London you know (or thought you knew). My favourite example is around Queensway where I used to live.
The road called Queensway confusingly has two tube stations on it, Queensway and Bayswater, spaced a long way apart on the tube map (on different tube lines) but in reality very close, hence we see intensely stretched streets between the two stations here. As you can see the street names such as Queensway itself are still clearly rendered. This is not rubber-sheeted raster images. The map data is OpenStreetMap warped while in vector form and then rendered with Maperative. Cool!
So lots of geo OSM niceness recently, and there's more to come! Last week I decided to give up twitter for lent. This includes tweeting from @OSMLondon. Derick is in charge of those for the moment. I'm not even allowing myself to view them, but I'm sure he'll be glad of any suggestions for things to tweet about. I'll be maintaining the list of events on the wiki, and look! There's a pub meet-up TONIGHT. Join us in the Blue posts from 7p.m.
Last week we had a pub meet-up in Holborn shortly followed by a real mapping party involving real mapping, over in Weybridge
In the pub we had another bumper turnout, including quite a few new faces, which is what we like to see. Maybe spacing out the events to every three weeks makes for a more popular gathering, or maybe 2012 is going to be a year for big London gatherings (let's hope so!) ...or maybe everyone secretly loves the cheapo prices of wetherspoons.
We had along @MathieuLoutre who is working on a 3D game engine, experimenting with the buildings data in London. Looks pretty nice (another pic here) and he says he'll be open sourcing his code for that. Makes all that building mapping worthwhile heh? Mind you we'll need to add some building:levels data in London to make 3D stuff work really well (He's randomised the building heights slightly here to get reasonable effect)
We talked about Derick's awesome year of edits 2011 video which has been played 10,000 times now! He's interested now in doing some animation experiments building on the style of the Brighton mapping party video he made
There were many other topics of discussion including a funny "old farts" conversation with me, Andy, and Matt late at night after everyone else had left.
I'll tell you what else we talked about just as soon as I've found that peice of paper again!
And the Weybridge mapping party? Also awesome, but it was a good reminder of why we don't generally do mapping parties at this time of year. I gave up mapping when I couldn't feel my toes any more.
It was surprisingly well attended by OSMLondon folks considering it's quite a long train ride out (more people than shown in the above photo). I think we're all keen to try to make some progress with the massive patch of red in Southwest London. We've blown a nice hole it now but still plenty more work to be done. It's upsetting to me that User:80n was never persuaded to accept the license change, and now effectively seeks to damage OpenStreetMap. He ran the first mapping parties that I ever attended, and back in those days he really showed the way when it came to mapping dedication. He pretty much invented OSM mapping. Ah well.
I have some more photos including an attempt at some (cold) sunshine mapping action shots. Coming soon.
Geomob is tonight! I'm going to be late in fact. If you're in the area (Gower Street) come along. It's going to be extra OpenStreetMappy this time, with three different talks on OSM topics!