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The Ukrainian community is concerned about the possible negative impact on the project as a whole, the emergence of lawsuits from users of data and the subsequent decline of the project, and therefore restores the borders of Ukraine to the internationally recognized status. The recent decision of DWG ( https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/DWG_2018-11-14_Crimea ) neglects the wide recognition of Crimea as an integral part of Ukraine expressed by numerous governments and international organizations (in particular, UN General Assembly Resolution 68/262 http://www.un.org/en/ga/68/resolutions.shtml / https://undocs.org/en/A/RES/68/262 ). DWG actions directed to cut off Crimea from the borders of Ukraine are considered to be inadequate to the interests of the project and are not recognized by law. Any blockages (bans) aimed against members who restored the border of Ukraine to the widely internationally recognized status will be seen as unjustified pressure on the entire community and usurpation of power in the OSM.

P.S. “changing names or country information would require consensus from both the Ukrainian and Russian communities. It is unlikely that any such edit proposals will be able to achieve this.” (с) DWG //

Moreover, according to clause 4, a consensus should be reached between the Ukrainian and Russian communities on changing information about countries. There is no consensus - there is no reason to separate the Crimea from Ukraine.

CrimeaІsUkraine #DWG #CrimeaMap #КримЦеУкраїна #ИхТамНет

https://www.facebook.com/openstreetmapua // https://twitter.com/osm_ua // https://t.me/osmUA // openstreetmap.ua@gmail.com

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/60199

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/velmyshanovnyi - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2376 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ue0 - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2374 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andergrin - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2372 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/z-yurets - ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/darkonus - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2362 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/velmyshanovnyi - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2360 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/velmyshanovnyi - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2359 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andergrin - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2358 ;
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Дівчина_з_Коломиї - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2357 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/паляниця - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2356 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/frankoivan - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2355 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pumpkinpie226 - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2354 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Хтосьіншийдятел - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2353 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ue0 - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2350 ; https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andergrin - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2348 ;
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/KKS - https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/2347 ; …and other, and other…

Location: Shevchenkivskyi district, Kyiv, Ukraine

Discussion

Comment from velmyshanovnyi on 9 December 2018 at 14:40

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

then the assassins (who were of the same opinion as you now) wrote “that Russia is also legally in the territory”

pc it’s not politics - it’s memory and history

Comment from amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️‍🌈 on 10 December 2018 at 11:02

I think, given Ukrainain/Russian history and politics, the Ukrainians have a right to be upset and angry. Calling them narcists or cult-members is pointless, knock that off. It is politics, but everything is politics. It’s impossible to be politically neutral.

However OSM has a long standing rule, of “country borders should match de facto physical control”. You’re unhappy with the outcome of that rule, when applied to Crimea. What rule do you think we should use instead?

In the mean time, you can set up your own tileserver displaying borders as you want. They do that in India. That might solve your problem?

Comment from velmyshanovnyi on 10 December 2018 at 11:50

I and other members of the www.t.me/osmUA group only follow the laws of my country and international laws and agreements.

do you propose to violate laws ??

are you serious?

Comment from amapanda ᚛ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ᚜ 🏳️‍🌈 on 10 December 2018 at 20:16

Its not like where I live in America isn’t being deeply effective by the BS of the Russian government

Ummm… I really think there is a big. big difference between the actions of the Russian government in the USA and Ukraine. Quantatively, and qualitiatively. “deeply” it is not. This sort of comparison is unhelpful to the discussion.

Comment from velmyshanovnyi on 17 December 2018 at 19:00

RE:

It’s my cult for them all to push the same exact message repeatedly that’s based on emotional appeals instead of facts (…)

seriously?

UN General Assembly Resolution 68/262 http://www.un.org/en/ga/68/resolutions.shtml/ https://undocs.org/en/A/RES/68/262

based on emotional ?????

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