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A valuable find - free parking in Florence

Posted by michalfabik on 5 April 2017 in English (English)

During our recent trip to Florence, a notoriously car-unfriendly city, I found this car park. I forgot to take a picture, but it obviously once was a paid car park that has been abandoned since. (By the authorities that is, not so much by the drivers.) The small building at the northern end looks like it might have served for the personnel and at the entrance and exit there are what looks like remains of lift gates that have been broken or sawn off. There are no blue signs with white "P" on them but there are no parking restrictions either. Many of the cars there were covered with a thick layer of dust, some had long (as in months) overdue parking tickets behind their wipers, others looked quite ordinary and came and went during our stay.
I asked some passers-by and all of them confirmed that it was ok to park there and that the locals regularly do so, only that we shouldn't leave anything of value in the car. I left the car there and it was still there the next day, quite happy and unharmed.
Of course, I mapped the whole thing and proudly added a "fee=no". The trouble is, technically it's not an "amenity=parking" at all because it's not designated as such on-site. "disused:amenity=parking" comes to mind but it's not disused either, as people keep using it. "access=permissive" and possibly "access=discouraged" come close but not quite. So I added "informal=yes" like some footpaths have, although the car park certainly was "intentionally established" and didn't just "evolve", as the Wiki defines it. Actually, I'm pretty sure I know at least a few car parks where "informal=yes" would fit perfectly, but this isn't one of them.
So, do we have a better way of dealing with this?

Location: Quartiere 3, Florence, Metropolitan City of Florence, Tuscany, Italy

Comment from jonwit on 6 April 2017 at 00:34

Dubrovnik has one as well

Comment from dieterdreist on 6 April 2017 at 22:59

From all established tags, amenity=parking seems best, even in absence of a white P on blue background: if people park there (and it's not forbidden), it's a parking. While there is some kind of informality involved, it still was built as a parking so I'm not sure if the tag makes sense here

Comment from michalfabik on 7 April 2017 at 12:41

While there is some kind of informality involved, it still was built as a parking so I'm not sure if the tag makes sense here

True, but the "informality" was exactly what I wanted the user to be aware of. There's another car park right next to it, which looks virtually the same, only it has signs and parking metres (and it's not guarded, so it's not like you're paying for some extra service). I would be quite surprised if the local authorities just let you choose whether to pay for parking or not. Basically, I wanted some sort of a "guarantees=no" tag.

Comment from jonwit on 7 April 2017 at 13:33

I understand now.

For all formal purposes this parking lot unlike the others is "abandoned" just as the a road, mall, or house can be but you can still use it. Yes there is still signs saying to pay but its not enforced.

I would give it a tag abandoned. abandoned=yes

Comment from michalfabik on 7 April 2017 at 13:40

Yes there is still signs saying to pay

There are no signs either. There's literally nothing telling you (or even implying) that it's a parking lot, other than its physical appearance and the fact that it's being used as such.

Comment from jonwit on 7 April 2017 at 14:48

The amenity parking wiki page says:

Use amenity=parking to tag a facility used by the public, customers, or other authorised users for parking motor vehicles

So as per the wiki if this area's primary use is for parking motor vehicles the area can be tagged as a parking lot. Any additional tag will then provide more information (i.e. abandoned=yes, access=yes, fee=no, operator=none). I would stick with the additional tags already defined by the community but your free to add others (i.e. informal=yes)

Comment from joost schouppe on 10 April 2017 at 11:13

I've used impromptu=yes for situations like this. It's mostly used to mark camp spots that are used but not official

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