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最近有一个中國來的口座正規化KFC的標籤,舞的範圍有夠大,編輯變動的範圍猶閣有共臺灣包入去,予一寡QA工具攏無法度正常視覺化顯示變啥物魍,應該是 Overpass API 的限制造成的,愛手工檢查是毋是有真真正正共臺灣範圍的物件創到。伊的編輯留話的所在有特別強調無創「臺灣地區」的 KFC,我是感覺這敢有需要特別強調?

建議是講,雖然 QA 工具出問題,無法度確認是毋是有問題的編輯,雖然是弄一个國家範圍的物件,欲共舞的範圍創較細的,分幾若擺來編輯上傳,較袂引起誤解,嘛較簡單會當審核內容敢有問題。有法度閃避遮的問題,𠢕人嘛會當專心畫𪜶所在的物件,毋免予人感覺有問題愛閣開時間溝通討論。

臺灣雖然是小所在,嘛是有真濟辛辛苦苦拍拚骨力,維護圖資的圖客,足頂真依照事實,猶閣有眼前會當看著的物件來畫地圖。毋過不時有人欲來挑戰加上非事實的物件,強逼臺灣遮的人愛接受非在庄在地草地觀察會著的物仔。這个代誌是無遵守 OpenStreetMap 的現地觀察,才會當加入 OpenStreetMap 的 on the ground truth 原則

OpenStreetMap 親像𪜶的姊妹仔計畫 Wikipedia 仝款,是人人會當看著怪怪的物件,著會使修正,甚至實際上無存在的物仔嘛會當刣掉,毋免有較懸權限的口座來做。甚至較需要了解佮操作智識的 reverter 嘛毋免一定是管理員才會當做,有社群共識一般的口座就會使做。OpenStreetMap 計畫內是較平等的,無講一定欲予較資深的人較有資格,有理就好。

Tâi-lô pán-pún

Tsuè-kūn ū tsi̍t-ê Tiong-kok lâi-ê kháu-tsō chèng-kui-hòa KFC ê piau-tshiam, bú-ê huān-uî ū-kàu-tuā, pian-tsi̍p piàn-tōng ê huān-uî ū kā Tâi-uân pau-ji̍p-khì, hōo tsi̍t-kuá QA kang-kū lóng bô-huat-tōo tsìng-siông sī-kak-huà hián-sī pìnn-siánn-mn̍gh-báng, ing-kai-sī Overpass API ê hān-tsè tsō-sîng-ê, ài tshiú-kang kiám-tsa sī-m̄-sī ū tsin-tsin-tsiànn-tsiànn kā Tâi-uân huān-uî ê mn̍gh-kiānn tshòng-kàu. I-ê pian-tsi̍p lâu-uē ê sóo-tsāi ū ti̍k-pia̍t kiông-tiāu bô-tshòng “Tâi-uân tuē-khu” ê KFC, guá sī kám-kak tsē kám-ū su-iàu ti̍k-pia̍t kiông-tiāu?

Kiàn-gī sī-kóng, sui-jiân QA kang-kū tshut-būn-tê, bô-huat-tōo khak-jīn sī-m̄-sī ū-būn-tê ê pian-tsi̍p, sui-jiân sī lōng tsi̍t-ê kok-ka huān-uî ê mn̍gh-kiānn, bueh kā bú-ê huān-uî tshòng khah-suè–ê, hun kuí-nā-pái lâi pian-tsi̍p siōng-thuân, khah-buē ín-khí gōo-kái, mā khah-kán-tan ē-tàng sím-hi̍k luē-iông kám-ū būn-tê. Ū-huat-tōo siám-phiah tsia-ê būn-tê, gâu-lâng mā ē-tàng tsuan-sim uē in sóo-tsāi ê mn̍gh-kiānn, m̄-bián hőng kám-kak ū-būn-tê ài koh khui-sî-kan koo-thong thó-lūn.

Tâi-uân sui-jiân sī sió-sóo-tsāi, mā-sī 有 tsin-tsuē sin-sin-khóo-khóo phah-piànn kut-la̍t, uî-hōo tôo-tsu ê tôo-kheh, tsiok tíng-tsin i-tsiàu sū-si̍t, iáu-koh-ū gán-tsîng ē-tàng khuànn-tio̍h ê mn̍gh-kiānn lâi uē tuē-tôo. M̄-koh put-sî ū-lâng bueh-lâi thiau-tsiàn ka-siōng hui-sū-si̍t ê mn̍gh-kiānn, kiông-pik Tâi-uân tsia-ê lâng ài tsiap-siū hui tsāi-tsng tsāi-tuē tsháu-tuē kuan-tshat ē-tio̍h ê mn̍gh-á. tsit-ê tāi-tsì sī bô tsun-siú OpenStreetMap ê hiān-tuē kuan-tshat, tsiah ē-tàng ka-ji̍p OpenStreetMap ê on the ground truth guân-tsik.

OpenStreetMap tshin-tshiūnn in-ê tsí-bē-á kè-uē Wikipedia kâng-khuánn, sī jîn-jîn ē-tàng khuànn-tio̍h kuài-kuài ê mn̍gh-kiānn, tio̍h ē-sái siu-tsìng, sīm-tsì si̍t-tsè siōng bô-tsûn-tsāi ê mn̍gh-á mā ē-tàng thâi-tiāu, m̄-bián ū khah-kuân ê kháu-tsō lâi tsuè. Sīm-tsì sī khah su-iàu liáu-kái kah tshau-tsok tì-sik ê reverter mā m̄-bián it-tīng sī kuán-lí-uân tsiah ē-tàng tsuè, ū siā-kûn kiōng-sik it-puann ê kháu-tsō tō ē-sái tsuè. OpenStreetMap kè-uē lāi sī khah pîng-tíng-ê, bô-kóng it-tīng bueh hōo khah tsu-tshim ê lâng khah-ū tsu-keh, ū-lí tō-hó.

Pe̍h-ōe-jī pán-pún

Chòe-kūn ū chi̍t-ê Tiong-kok lâi-ê kháu-chō chèng-kui-hòa KFC ê piau-chhiam, bú-ê hoān-ûi ū-kàu-tōa, pian-chi̍p piàn-tōng ê hoān-ûi ū kā Tâi-oân pau-ji̍p-khì, hō͘ chi̍t-kóa QA kang-kū lóng bô-hoat-tō͘ chèng-siông sī-kak-hòa hián-sī pìⁿ-siáⁿ-mn̍gh-báng, eng-kai-sī Overpass API ê hān-chè chō-sêng-ê, ài chhiú-kang kiám-cha sī-m̄-sī ū chin-chin-chiàⁿ-chiàⁿ kā Tâi-oân hoān-ûi ê mn̍gh-kiāⁿ chhòng-kàu. I-ê pian-chi̍p lâu-ōe ê só͘-chāi ū te̍k-pia̍t kiông-tiāu bô-chhòng “Tâi-oân tōe-khu” ê KFC, góa sī kám-kak chē kám-ū su-iàu te̍k-pia̍t kiông-tiāu?

Kiàn-gī sī-kóng, sui-jiân QA kang-kū chhut-būn-tê, bô-hoat-tō͘ khak-jīn sī-m̄-sī ū-būn-tê ê pian-chi̍p, sui-jiân sī lōng chi̍t-ê kok-ka hoān-ûi ê mn̍gh-kiāⁿ, boeh kā bú-ê hoān-ûi chhòng khah-sòe–ê, hun kúi-nā-pái lâi pian-chi̍p siōng-thoân, khah-bōe ín-khí gō͘-kái, mā khah-kán-tan ē-tàng sím-he̍k lōe-iông kám-ū būn-tê. Ū-hoat-tō͘ siám-phiah chia-ê būn-tê, gâu-lâng mā ē-tàng choan-sim ōe in só͘-chāi ê mn̍gh-kiāⁿ, m̄-bián hőng kám-kak ū-būn-tê ài koh khui-sî-kan ko͘-thong thó-lūn.

Tâi-oân sui-jiân sī sió-só͘-chāi, mā-sī 有 chin-chōe sin-sin-khó͘-khó͘ phah-piàⁿ kut-la̍t, ûi-hō͘ tô͘-chu ê tô͘-kheh, chiok téng-chin i-chiàu sū-si̍t, iáu-koh-ū gán-chêng ē-tàng khòaⁿ-tio̍h ê mn̍gh-kiāⁿ lâi ōe tōe-tô͘. M̄-koh put-sî ū-lâng boeh-lâi thiau-chiàn ka-siōng hui-sū-si̍t ê mn̍gh-kiāⁿ, kiông-pek Tâi-oân chia-ê lâng ài chiap-siū hui chāi-chng chāi-tōe chháu-tōe koan-chhat ē-tio̍h ê mn̍gh-á. chit-ê tāi-chì sī bô chun-siú OpenStreetMap ê hiān-tōe koan-chhat, chiah ē-tàng ka-ji̍p OpenStreetMap ê on the ground truth goân-chek.

OpenStreetMap chhin-chhiūⁿ in-ê chí-bē-á kè-ōe Wikipedia kâng-khóaⁿ, sī jîn-jîn ē-tàng khòaⁿ-tio̍h koài-koài ê mn̍gh-kiāⁿ, tio̍h ē-sái siu-chèng, sīm-chì si̍t-chè siōng bô-chûn-chāi ê mn̍gh-á mā ē-tàng thâi-tiāu, m̄-bián ū khah-koân ê kháu-chō lâi chòe. Sīm-chì sī khah su-iàu liáu-kái kah chhau-chok tì-sek ê reverter mā m̄-bián it-tēng sī koán-lí-oân chiah ē-tàng chòe, ū siā-kûn kiōng-sek it-poaⁿ ê kháu-chō tō ē-sái chòe. OpenStreetMap kè-ōe lāi sī khah pêng-téng-ê, bô-kóng it-tēng boeh hō͘ khah chu-chhim ê lâng khah-ū chu-keh, ū-lí tō-hó.

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Comment from hanchao on 12 January 2022 at 15:21

我这么感觉你这篇文章读起来好难。我也不理解为啥要批量删除”alt_name”=”Kentucky Fried Chicken”

Comment from Jyunhou on 13 January 2022 at 15:43

@hanchao 意思是说,早期NSI有这个标签,但后来各地本地化的NSI移除了这个alt_name包括中文。所以他人工把以前NSI留下的alt_name删掉了。

Comment from Jyunhou on 13 January 2022 at 16:04

其實osmCha撈achavi都係先獲取箇隻修改集箇範圍(就係bbox),再在對應範圍裏頭使overpass api來查整隻範圍內修改過箇點、線、關係。譬如講有隻修改集範圍bbox係0.1068567,51.4186576,0.1180187,51.4246469,工具調接口箇參數就係data=[adiff:%222022-01-13T15:33:58Z%22,%222022-01-13T15:34:00Z%22];(node(bbox)(changed);way(bbox)(changed);relation(bbox)(changed););out%20meta%20geom(bbox);&bbox=0.1068567,51.4186576,0.1180187,51.4246469。所以講好明顯,如果修改範圍好大箇時候,就冇查得出來了,因爲數據量真係好大好大。 另外呢,睇到有修改覆蓋到臺灣就心驚驚咁睇有冇人搞破壞真係PTSD了,人家改隻肯德基你都要強調政治講咩戳有人強迫你哋接收非現實,係真有啲敏感過頭了,人家明明根本都冇改到。在箇隻談論大範圍修改箇日記下面都要借題發揮攞一半篇幅來批判冇存在箇問題,我睇你正係藉開放之名搞政治宣傳之實。 回到正題來講,真係想要檢查箇隻修改集,其實可以在修改集箇歷史裏頭一隻一隻點開修改過箇物件來睇,就係麻煩好多。箇種咁大量箇修改,使抽樣法就得喇,中學數學老師都有講過。社區都講“善意假定”,如果冇搵到有咩冇好箇修改,就應該默認係好箇修改。

Comment from hanchao on 14 January 2022 at 16:48

对 没必要啥事都扯到政治上


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