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Automated external defibrillator(AED) locations in County Fermanagh

Posted by MCDA on 24 October 2015 in English (English).

Last week while at a meeting we got an update on the First Responders operating in the area.

The First Responders are a group of local people who are trained on the use of an automated external defibrillator (AED) and are on 24-hour call. They make use of a mobile AED which they pass between themselves depending who is “on call”.

According to the report the quickest turn-around was just two and a half minutes, however, the ambulance service took 20 minutes to respond. Unfortunately, ambulance response times are between 20-30mins and sometimes more in this area. Access to essential public and private services is a serious disadvantage of living / working in a rural community.

The family in question said they’d barely put down the phone! In my eyes this is proof the project is working and shows the importance of a service like this.

Following the death of a man in Maguiresbridge the following week, there was questions asked on how this could have happened, given that there are AED devices located at the primary school and also in a cabinet outside the chemist shop in the village. The location of both devices was news to me. Being interested in the topic, I looked online for the location of static defibrillator cabinets in the area and found that there was quite a lot of inaccurate or non-existent information. Here are a few of my findings:

So I decided to make a few phone calls and fire off a few emails. Basically I am trying to locate as many defibrillators in the county as possible and put them into the OSM database. I have created a uMap in order to view the data. Please see the following link - http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/defibrillator-locations-in-county-fermanagh_56527

The map is very much a work in progress and any help, feedback or suggestions would be gratefully received.

Comment from Warin61 on 24 October 2015 at 22:21

Yep.

The best place to have a heart attack is Melbourne Cricket Ground .. many AEDs there. I think the second best place was some airport in America.

Suggestions ..

Other things that would be usefull to a first aider … locations of fixed phones .. particularly emergency phones locations of hospital emergency departments doctors offices pharmacies

This map could be mentioned in first aid courses …. that gets them to use the map, and probably add AEDs to it too.

Comment from Warin61 on 25 October 2015 at 00:14

Notes;

AEDs can be used by the ‘untrained’ .. that is why they are called “Automatic”.

AEDs should be tagged with emergency=defibrillator

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Ddefibrillator

Comment from MCDA on 25 October 2015 at 13:13

Thankyou for your feedback Warin61.

Would you happen to know about other tagging? Does it belong in OSM or not?

Id like to record other information such as Manufacturer, Model, Appox age, Serial number, Date which pads need to be replaced, date batteries are due for replacement. The availability and access to the AED.

At the moment I’m using aed:location to describe the location and operator to record who supplied and maintains the device.

Comment from Warin61 on 25 October 2015 at 22:07

I don’t think additional data belongs (other than the location and operator)….

The practice in Australia is when used, the ambo comes along and picks up the patent and AED (leaving it connected). As this would leave the site without an AED the ambos leave their AED behind. Thus the date, manufacture data would no longer be relevant.

when the AED approaches any expiry data it sets off an alarm .. like the smoke detectors do when their batteries get towards flat. So the things get serviced/replaced … Thus the data and maybe the manufacture data would no longer be relevant.

Who would use this data? I think you have it covered.


There are very few AEDs on the OSM Australia map… the Australian Organizations are using Google .. and an Ipad app …. short sighted of them

I would like to see an ‘emergency’ button on the phone OSM apps … would bring up on the map AEDs, Doctors, Hospitals with emergency facilities, Life belts (rings), Emergency phones, and any other relevant emergency thing? Once this kind of thing is available I would think the case for entering the data would be seen by all the organizations.

Comment from MCDA on 25 October 2015 at 22:43

Apparently most of the listed defibs are called Public Access Defibs (PAD’s) for short. They are static in nature and are located in locked cabinets. The idea is that you call 999 (our emergency services number) and they check your location compared to one of these PAD’s. If you are near one they give you the keycode over the phone to gain access to it and they talk you through how to use it. However there are a number of problems with this approach.

1) Our addressing system is totally messed up due to the Royal Mail “owning” the address database(they see it as their property and have it copyrighted) Officials use a streetname and number, however none of the roads/streets are signposted and very few people display their numbers. Locals have always and will always use their townland. This is what led to this man waiting 40mins for help after experiencing chest pains - http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/roundup/articles/2015/08/20/409626-ambulance-apology-after-tourist-with-chest-pains-waits-40-minutes/ This incident was a complete and utter mess. There is a doctors surgery in the village of Brookeborough(2 miles away), a paramedic fast car station in Lisnaskea ( about 7 miles away), local hospital in Enniskillen (20 miles away) yet the ambulance was sent from Omagh, about 30miles away! 2) Mobile phone service is very hit and miss. In the countryside it is more miss than hit! If you are lucky enough to make an emergency call, you dare not move because you will be disconnected. 3) Once keycodes are made public these are easy targets for criminals and vandalism. These units are still quite costly, in the region of £600-1200 and are worth while targets. In fact we have already seen cabinets damaged by someone trying to break in, thankfully this one was alarmed.

Regarding an emergency button, I know OSMand has an emergency POI filter, which shows Police, Fire and other emergency POI’s. Im not sure if it shows defibs, I must check.

Comment from Mack_john on 26 October 2015 at 23:16

http://helpinghearts.ie/ http://www.heartsafe.org.uk/AED-Locations Have a few more AED on their sites. I have requested a few AED/CFR groups via Facebook to provide information and I will upload/Tag them on OSM.org

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/chf Is a nice handy way of seeing how few have being tagged. Something to work on during the long nights.

Regards, Mack.


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