For the avoidance of doubt - you have not been banned from editing. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/15430 was created 6 days ago and expired 5 days ago. You have made numerous edits during that period so you must know that saying you’ve been “banned” is at best hyperbole.

Both your recent diary entries (including https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/slice0/diary/402981#comments received comments that do not back up the statements your are making - people have made genuinely helpful suggestions to help you understand what is happening and what you ought to consider doing next.

Something that I often say with a DWG hat on to people involved in conflicts in OSM is “ask yourself why this is happening to you”. Most people can edit OSM - and even discuss with other people the best way to do that with a certain amount of rigour - without encountering the problems that you have encountered.

Your response to the comment on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/144928924 seems at best inappropriate - whenever there are different opinions we have to be able to talk about the reason behind those opinions in order to understand where the other person is coming from. At its heart OpenStreetMap is a community project. We have to be able to work on it together and discuss things with each other to understand the best way to go forward.

Best Regards,

Andy (from OSM’s Data Working Group)

@someoneelse this user is now making these edits https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/144986140#map=16/-34.5910/138.7349 I just had a look at gawler river road for starters, fortera changed it from residential to unclassified. Data SA says it is a local road and this edit is made up. Now because I was banned for engaging with this person they pretty much have free rain to do as they please with the map because I am the only one in Adelaide who actually checks the class of these roads with the official source. Where is the information coming from giving this user free will to go ahead and make the changes.

Addressing just one point from the above:

Data SA says it is a local road

What “Data SA says” is not binding on OpenStreetMap. The definition that OSM uses for “residential” is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dresidential , and for “unclassified” https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified . It may be that a certain national/federal or state classification happens to broadly map onto one OSM one, but even in the UK (which was used as a basis for the classifications in OSM) that isn’t 100%.

If you believe that something that should be tagged as X and someone else believes that it should be tagged as Y, you have to be able to talk about it. That isn’t possible if one person says things like “this edit is made up” or “Data SA says…”.

@someoneelse, I am more than open to discussion but I have been banned for talking about edits by fizzie with this very user so I would be dumb to even try at this point.

but I have been banned talking about edits by fizzie with this very user

For the avoidance of doubt, the text of https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/15430 is public, and everyone can read what it says. It does not say that.

@someoneelse discord was the only place I interacted with people, I was literally banned because the australian DWG member hangs out there and didnt like how I came across. I was not aware that DWG members can making judgements based on reading discord chats or even allowed to hang out there in a official manner. I didnt even break any rules other than the australian DWG member felt like swinging his bat. My diary entrys are just making people aware that this can happen and nobody cares. and now it has lead to this user having free reign over edits because the bias australian DWG member is in his corner and nobody cares

I was literally banned

No - and this is at least the fourth time that I personally have said it - YOU WERE NOT BANNED.

Perhaps if I was to try and convey that message by the means of interpretative dance communication might be more likely to occur? :)

@someoneelse, ok ill drop it, OSM has been my sort of hobby over the time and I se OSM in my cars navigation. I am here to make the map better every week I dont really care what other people edit I just know my edits are solid and based on fact I just wish people find there own thing to do instead of singling out my edits just because I go ahead and do them with out having 3 millions talks. I like the OSM project and I like editing it. I would take a job at a mapping comapny if I had the qualifications and will to get a job.

ok now this person is commenting here https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/145018824#map=16/-34.6113/138.7483 2 hours after I made a edit that had nothing to do with what they are talking about in the changeset comment, fizzie would ban me for even trying to reply here I need DWG intervention please

the person doesnt get it haha “Hi there, is there any particular reason why you’ve split Main North Road”

actually its not funny I get blocked for dealing with this, its sad we need a new DWG member to represent australia, I have no faith in fizzie

Again, OpenStreetMap is a community project. If you’re unwilling to engage with the community and respond to legitimate comments and concerns placed on your changesets, you have no place here.

I am unwilling to engage with this user in particular because this is the person I was talking to when fizzie blocked me from editing OSM, your comment cant force me into a discussion, I didnt ask for this person to comment on my edit, and the person doesnt even understand that I never even split the road. He is commenting to get a reaction from me so fizzie will step in and block me.

Regardless of whether you want people to comment on your changes, diary posts or others, OpenStreetMap is a community project. If you are unwilling to engage with the community, you have no place here.

i am literally engaging with you right now and youre a member of the community, how are you

Forget it. The DWG and the board are a corrupt bunch of old white men. They will defend each other and actively remove any community member that doesn’t fit their world views (queer/LGBT, POC; neurodivergent people). They have made it clear that their own rules don’t apply to their clique, only to others. I got threats of harm posted both in changeset comments and on the OSM community board and was shoved off by the DWG because, in literal words, “insults are okay in the German community” (but only if they come from others, I can get banned for the same insults). A fellow OSM member got his ability removed to post or reply to changeset discussions at all. Up until then I did not even know this was technically possible! It is also not a punishment that is mentioned on any of the relevant documents on the OSM Foundation wiki, so it was evidently made up on the whim, with support of the OSM tech team who had to implement this change.

Trying to negotiate with them is, unfortunately, a hopeless cause. You’re a marked man and you will get banned in due time. I’d recommend creating a bunch of sleeper accounts (best with VPN) right now if I were you.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/145018824#map=15/-34.6131/138.7511 ok this is getting out of hand I dont know what fortera is trying to say here

because I am the only one in Adelaide who actually checks the class of these roads with the official source

Uh, no.

The original import of data.sa.gov.au road names was via https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Roads There was a fair amount of QA occuring as those were manually reviewed before imported or renamed. It was done with the community at the time in a collaborative fashion.

You can see the comments there regarding residential vs unclassified being unclear in the source data.

Since 2015, there’s a lot of people who have driven, ridden, and physically surveyed a lot of this, correcting things that are unmade road reserves, no longer in active use & more.

If you are making corrections based on survey, updated imagery, or similar - go for it. But if you are looking at a single dataset as the source of truth, there’s going to be issues. An example - not related to your mapping - look at the current state of unnamed roads in SA via https://qa.poole.ch/ This was effectively 0 in ~2015; and while some minor new residential roads would be constructed, it seems unlike we’d have made new roads carved out. But they exist in fair numbers now. Why? Because the microsoft mapping team decided to vomit out a bunch of highway unclassified/residential for tracks, driveways and more.

Worse, remote South Australia is a big place. A lot of long distance travellers use maps like OSM. If you misclassify something, you risk ending up with situations like this: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-13/emergency-supplies-dropped-to-family-of-four/13630088.

@CloCkWeRX please help me understand what you are trying to say with the travellers who got bogged, I used the coords on the video to find the road they were on, its birdsville track. it is the only road going to the lake they look like they were trying to get to. Lets say they were using OSM back in 2021 when this happened it was classified as a teritary road/unpaved https://osmlab.github.io/osm-deep-history/#/way/186428588 , it is now classified as a secondary as per the official government source. how would that have made a difference to what happen to these people. it has a render as primary tag maybe we should remove that. the incident happened when someone tried to guess the class of the road, maybe it wouldnt have happened if they used the official goverment source classification, your argument agrees that leaving it up to people to guess is dangerous and we should use official government source.