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Secondary names

Posted by donaciano on 29 April 2009 in English.

So the other day I'm asking a buddy where to find something and he says "Go South". It seemed a bit vague to me. "South? How far south?" "No SOUTH!" "Is this any South in particular or shall I walk to Brazil or what?" "SOUTH! You know South" "No I don't"...

This continued for quite some time... really.

Finally I got it out of him that "South" means "South Ruimveldt". Yup, and "North" means "North Ruimveldt", East and West as well. Wow imagine that. Seems odd that one particular town/village gets to steal the title of North, West, South and East... but it seems that's the only village that's broken up into 4 directions so it makes sense.

Here's another for ya. Several times I've been with a local and asked "Hey what's the name of this street?" I'd get a "First Street" or 'Third Street'. It seems like every village names their streets the same unless it's prominent. Efficiency I guess.

So the other day I'm with a friend and casually mapping as we walk around he tells me "First Street", "Second Street", etc.. then I see a street with an actual sign on it and the name was something TOTALLY DIFFERENT. So I ask "Is this Third Street or is the next one Third?" "No this is Third" "So why does the sign say ______?" "Right, well we just call it third".

So.

Gonna have to double-check all those First and Second streets I've mapped. :-) Thankfully it's not many so I haven't dug in too deep yet.

Anyhow, in Guyana I'm gonna be making good use of that localname tag or whatever it is. A lot of places and things here have common names and actual names. Sure is confusing when people tell you to go to a street that doesn't exist.

Mandala is a good example of this, it's a major road, but everyone calls it... Back Road. This is different from Front Road which actually IS named Front Road. They run parallel so I guess they're buddies or something. :)

Discussion

Comment from Yabba on 29 April 2009 at 13:08

Well, here in Germany we have a lot of Highway exits ("Autobahnausfahrten") which are called -Nord[north]/Ost[east]/Süd[south]/West because the highway goes around or through those towns. Take Hamburg. There is an "Kreuz Ost" (Cross East). Everyone in the north of germany knows that's in/near by Hamburg. The same with "Kreuz Süd", which has it's real name "Maschener Kreuz".

Maybe it's nice to add a tag like "common name" with those local names.

Comment from donaciano on 29 April 2009 at 21:23

Seems I should use either loc_name or reg_name for this. I'm trying to wrap my head around the difference between regional and local names. Hrrrmmmmm...

Comment from LivingWithDragons on 29 April 2009 at 22:38

Ha ha, brilliant diary entry.
I'm trying to get into a habbit (and just get more confident) of asking people about the name of the road.
I think it's either an English culture problem or growing up in a city culture problem.

I'm close to getting a leaflet printed of the map I've made so far + an OSM explanation. being able to hand this out, after explaining why I care about the road names, will really boost my confidence to ask I think. Or I may call up the right person in the council and ask "what is the name of the road North off X, between Y and Z?" Which I believe is perfectly fine as I have surveyed roads X, Y and Z, and the location of the unsigned road.

Comment from gigglebok on 30 April 2009 at 16:47

LivingWithDragons, I'm not sure about the legal aspects of provenance when it comes to asking someone over a phone. For all you know they could be looking it up on Google Maps - then it's technically derived data - and if it happens to be a classic google "easter egg" road (there are LOADS of them!) and it gets published in OSM, what happens next? One thing I can't seem to see in OSM is a tag for describing provenance of data (in other words, where it came from - asked someone is different to reading it on a sign is different to... etc. Anybody though about this? It's making my head hurt!

Dave Pearson

Comment from Wynndale on 3 May 2009 at 19:07

There is source:name, though it is not always used.

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