Thank you!

Hello MACEDONICUS, I wanted to reach out again to see if you could provide any information about these edits. Would you mind providing a source for these ref tags that begin with ‘O’? I am still unable to find any information regarding these refs through my research. I’m also wondering if any highways with this ref tag should be classified as highway=tertiary. Thank you!

Hello MACEDONICUS, I have noticed that you have upgraded some residential and unclassified highways to tertiary along with adding ref tags that begin with ‘O’. For example on this highway (way/399488924) the tag 'ref=O2045’ was added. I have been unable to find any information regarding these refs and was wondering if you would be willing to share the resource used for these ref additions. I’m also curious if all of the highways with this ref format should be tagged as highway=tertiary. Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you!

Hello MACEDONICUS, I noticed that you have changed the classification of many highways in the city of Skopje from primary/secondary down to tertiary. I see from your changeset comment that you believe these should be tertiary since they are lacking ‘A’ or ‘R’ status.

I believe that these should be changed back to their previous classifications based on a couple of things. First, the Macedonia roads tagging page on the OSM Wiki (osm.wiki/WikiProject_Macedonia/Macedonian_roads_tagging) says that the proposed classification system that is based on the highway’s legal category (i.e. A-roads and R-roads) is to only be used "out of settlements” and with "taking into account their importance”. Which, from my understanding, would mean this system only loosely applies to rural roads and not for cities like Skopje. This page also mentions (and links to) the OSM Wiki’s highway=* page (highway=*#Assumptions), stating highways that are not motorways or express roads should be classified only by their importance and intended main use.

How would you feel about changing these highways back to their previous classifications, so we can retain an accurate highway hierarchy (based on importance) within Skopje? Looking forward to hearing from you!

Thank you for the detailed response! I understand your thought that these short highways can clutter the map. My concern is that in deleting them, another OSM user’s work is being erased. Referencing the ‘Don’t delete objects that you don’t need or like’ section within the Good Practice page on the OSM Wiki it states ‘you should not remove something just because you do not need it’ (osm.wiki/Good_practice).

We may not see a lot of value in adding these short highways, but since they do exist I think updating the tagging to a more appropriate highway type (whether that be highway=service or highway=path) is a better course of action than deleting the features entirely.

Hello bernardo60, I noticed that you removed a large amount of short residential highways in this changeset. Reading your changeset comment, I see that you believe they were classified incorrectly and were adding clutter to the map. I do agree that they were not the correct classification, however, I think many of them provided valuable access to quite a few buildings.

For example, this way (way/724874007) was drivable per aerial imagery as well as ground-level imagery (entrance seen on the left here - https://kartaview.org/details/2304406/439/track-info) and provided access to a number of buildings.

How would you feel about adding these highways back in with the tags ‘highway=service’ and ’service=driveway’ rather than residential? I think that classification better fits the usage of these highways.

Looking forward to hearing back from you!

Thank for you the quick response! I think your approach to changing highways in East Africa back to primary is a good one. I appreciate your input on RN6 in Congo. Since that road serves as the shortest route between those two major cities, I can see the justification to leave it classified as trunk. I also agree with your last point that highway function and importance should be the main factor when determining these classifications since the surface and condition of these roads can vary widely. I believe that this will lead to a good hierarchy of highway classification in these countries.

Thank you again for taking the time to discuss this. Happy mapping!

Thank you for the response! I have replied on changeset/139440761 so that we can continue this discussion in one place.

Thank you for the response and for explaining the method you used for these changes. As you pointed out, the trunk definition on the East Africa Tagging Guidelines page does differ from the Highway Tag Africa definition. Since several of the countries you’ve made these changes in follow those guidelines (Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi), how would you feel about updating the trunk network to reflect that?

Regarding the trunk highways in countries that follow the Highway Tag Africa definition, I agree that they do not need to be paved nor divided to qualify as a trunk. However, I do think that solely basing the importance of a highway from its ref can lead to inconsistent classification. Using a couple of highways in Congo as examples, RN6 (way/322555033 to way/322115447, a route that is mostly just wide enough for 2 vehicles to pass, unpaved, and only connects a few small villages) and RN1 (way/243087995 to way/517768410, a route that is multi-lane, paved, and connects the major cities of Congo) have different levels of importance within the greater Congo highway network. This difference necessitates different classifications even though they both carry a national highway ref.

There are also many highways that I would consider simply too insignificant in both importance and infrastructure to be considered a trunk. For example, RN9 in Democratic Republic of the Congo (way/33671087 to way/469248644).

Something else that I would like to point out is that some African countries have their own highway classification schemes to take into consideration. For example, the WikiProject Central African Republic page (osm.wiki/WikiProject_Central_African_Republic#Road_network) notes that the most important highways in the country, those that connect the capital cities, should be tagged as primary. The OSM Africa Telegram (https://t.me/OSMAfrica) may have additional thoughts on if the RN, NR, and N refs should be classified as trunk, if you would like to open this discussion to a broader audience.

Thank you again for your response; I’m looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on this!

Hello AlkalIn,

I am following up on my last message (changeset/138060459) to you concerning your highway classification changes. I would like to know what criteria you are using in order to change these highways to trunk, and am curious if these changes were discussed with other members of the Africa mapping community.

I see that you have also made these classification changes in Rwanda and Burundi since my last message. Reviewing the East Africa Tagging Guidelines page on the OSM Wiki (osm.wiki/East_Africa_Tagging_Guidelines), I see that trunk highways in these countries should be paved and should have multiple lanes in a similar layout to a motorway. It would appear that many of your trunk upgrades do not match this definition. For example, you changed way/374782511 from primary to trunk even though it is unpaved and does not have multiple lanes. Would you mind explaining why highways like this were upgraded to trunk?

I look forward to hearing from you to discuss these edits.

cats_pajamas

Thank you for your response! Since anyone can enter this neighborhood after giving their ID card to the guardhouse, I have updated the access tagging on the gates within the neighborhood to access=permissive to match the ways.

Hello sp!rt, Bulls_eye is no longer active on our team so I will be handling this on their behalf.



This highway was likely changed to service since the previous classification (tertiary) was an over-classification. I see that you have changed this highway to residential. Reviewing this area, I agree with your edit as this road is more prominent than the many service highways that connect to it. Thank for making that change; happy mapping!



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Здравствуйте, sp!rt, Bulls_eye больше не работает в нашей команде, поэтому я буду заниматься этим от их имени.



Это шоссе, вероятно, было изменено на сервисное, поскольку предыдущая классификация (третичная) была чрезмерной. Я вижу, что вы изменили эту магистраль на жилую. Просматривая этот район, я согласен с вашим редактированием, поскольку эта дорога более заметна, чем многие соединяющиеся с ней служебные магистрали. Спасибо за это изменение; счастливого картографирования!

Hello AlkalIn,

I see that you have been making a lot of highway classification changes in Central Africa, namely upgrading primary and secondary highways to trunk that have “N” highway refs such as the ones in this changeset. Would you mind sharing what prompted these classification changes, as well as what resources you are using when making these edits?

According to many of the OSM wiki country pages and Highway Tag Africa page (osm.wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa), these edits contradict the agreed-upon classification schemes in these countries.

Since these edits are on such a large scale, I’m also curious if you have discussed these changes with other members of the OSM community. If so, would you mind pointing me to where that discussion took place?

Looking forward to hearing from you!

cats_pajamas

Hello Udin Bahrudin, I noticed that you made access tag updates to some of the residential highways in the De Latinos neighborhood, changing them from access=private to access=permissive. This way for example: way/363373895.

Would you mind explaining your choice of access=permissive here? This appears to be a private neighborhood, and per the OSM Wiki page for access (access=*), highways that only allow access for residents should be tagged as access=private.

It seems like you may be local to this area, so if you feel as though access=permissive is more fitting here, how would you feel about updating the gates such as node/9780664648 to match the access=permissive tagging scheme?

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Greetings deepani111, welcome to OpenStreetMap!

I noticed that you deleted several large features in this changeset including a national park boundary (relation/10550498) as well as a district admin boundary (relation/5351720) along with many highway and waterway features. If this was a mistake, I can offer my assistance in reverting this changeset to get these features added back to the map as quickly as possible.

Thank you!

In changeset/130516248 (https://osmcha.org/changesets/130516248), highways were dragged between 5m and 15m in a large vicinity north of Lomé, creating over 500 validation warnings for overlapping features and sharp angles. Using Strava and GPS data, Maxar Premium Imagery is accurately aligned. This changeset was reverted to solve these data issues in an effort to help improve road alignment and geometry.

Hello evgeniyakz,

I noticed that you added a ref=A-37 tag to the BAKAD ring road in Almaty (way/1082255658 to way/1082223925). After doing some research on this highway online, I have not found any information on the A-37 ref. Would you mind sharing the source you referenced when adding this tag?

Thank you very much!

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Здравствуйте evgeniyakz,

Я заметил, что вы добавили тег ref=A-37 к кольцевой дороге БАКАД в Алматы (от way/1082255658 до way/1082223925). Проведя некоторое исследование этого шоссе в Интернете, я не нашел никакой информации об A-37 ref. Не могли бы вы поделиться источником, на который вы ссылались при добавлении этого тега?

Большое спасибо!

Thank you!

Hello celbri, welcome to OpenStreetMap! It looks like you have already made some great edits. There is one issue, however, that I’d like to discuss with you.

I noticed that you have been changing the classification of some highways to highway=service combined with a service=alley tag. For example this highway (way/1183679456). Based on the Indonesia OSM Wiki page (osm.wiki/Indonesia), highways like this should be classified as highway=living_street since they are narrow residential ways that can be passed by 1 car at low speed. The presence of ‘Gang’ or ‘Gg’ in the highway’s name is also a good indicator of a living street. This highway can be seen in ground level imagery in Mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-7.99393245&lng=112.62033645&z=17&pKey=184906677331474&focus=photo&x=0.4026163394635524&y=0.4872437014876443&zoom=0).

Let me know what your thoughts are on this; happy mapping!

Thank you for your response as well as your edits here! They are much appreciated. Happy mapping!