Changeset: 150215761
Boulevards in Skopje are not part of national highways of Macedonia (A-roads and R-roads), they are O-roads (tertiary). See also highways in Zagreb (Croatia), main roads are tertiary. Speed limit is 40 km/h
Closed by MACEDONICUS
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build | 2020_12_29 |
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created_by | Potlatch |
os | Windows 11 |
version | 3.0 |
Discussion
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Comment from cats_pajamas
Hello MACEDONICUS, I noticed that you have changed the classification of many highways in the city of Skopje from primary/secondary down to tertiary. I see from your changeset comment that you believe these should be tertiary since they are lacking ‘A’ or ‘R’ status.
I believe that these should be changed back to their previous classifications based on a couple of things. First, the Macedonia roads tagging page on the OSM Wiki (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Macedonia/Macedonian_roads_tagging) says that the proposed classification system that is based on the highway’s legal category (i.e. A-roads and R-roads) is to only be used "out of settlements” and with "taking into account their importance”. Which, from my understanding, would mean this system only loosely applies to rural roads and not for cities like Skopje. This page also mentions (and links to) the OSM Wiki’s highway=* page (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions), stating highways that are not motorways or express roads should be classified only by their importance and intended main use.
How would you feel about changing these highways back to their previous classifications, so we can retain an accurate highway hierarchy (based on importance) within Skopje? Looking forward to hearing from you!
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Comment from MatejMecka
Hello cats_pajamas, and hello MACEDONICUS. I will take my stand on this issue with cats_pajamas,
This classification is plain wrong. Not only this is a mass automated edit without consulting the Macedonian OSM Community or even attempting to do so, placing purposefully information without research harms the data.
The official stance on the Public Department on Roads and Paths for Skopje does not classify them as Territary Roads. Source: https://uip-gov-mk.translate.goog/magistralni-i-sobirni-ulitsi/?_x_tr_sl=mk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
For example let's take Boulevard Ilinden. That is not a TERTIARY ROAD! It's Tag based on the Macedonian Wiki is that it should take the highway tag!
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mk:Map_Features
These changesets need to be reverted ASAP!
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Comment from MACEDONICUS
highway=primary should not be used. Why? Because does not connect highways with other countries.
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Comment from MACEDONICUS
Sorry for late response, but there is no notification about this "talk" :)
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Comment from MatejMecka
If you look at the[General Urbanistic Plan for the City of Skopje](https://gisportal.skopje.gov.mk/gup/) you would see that the boulevards are classified as Magistral highways. Based on the Macedonian OSM Week, all magistral highways are tagged with highway=primary. If the City of Skopje treats them as magistral highways, then we cannot treat them as regional paths. So how should we classify them? The Current classification for Skopje makes sense. We cannot categorize them all as one category. And we cannot do our own classification since Skopje has already decided on that.
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Comment from MACEDONICUS
Magistral street is not magistral highway.
On magistral highway i drive 100 kmph, not 50 kmph. But ok, Skopje is cosmodrome. Motorway is the best tag.
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