Introducing Team Surrey

Posted by Wynndale on 25 January 2012 in English (English)

North-west Surrey was mapped early by a mapper who has not accepted the ODBL and contributor terms. As such, tagging doesn’t always reflect the latest ideas and it will go away in a few months’ time.

A few of us have been tackling this backlog. I’ve removed most of the non-compliant mapping from Weybridge so that mappers can work and most roads have been remapped. But there’s more work to do.

Team Surrey is a project to remap Surrey to the latest standards and to plug the ODBL deficit maintain the good mapping in the county.

Location: Church Street, Elmbridge, Surrey, South East, England, KT13 8DH, United Kingdom

Comment from Andy Allan on 26 January 2012 at 09:30

Great to hear about the progress on this - would love it if you can keep everyone up to date with how you all get on.

Comment from nm7s9 on 26 January 2012 at 11:04

Excellent stuff.

I'm sure you'll have the area looking better than new in no time flat.

And THIS time your info will be there for (probably) hundreds of years!!!!!

I love the "hole in the red" that is appearing in this area.

Comment from robert on 26 January 2012 at 11:25

Great initiative.

Comment from Firefishy on 26 January 2012 at 12:00

Brilliant. So when are we having an on-the-ground mapping party? :)

Comment from Wynndale on 26 January 2012 at 13:08

Anyone free on 10th or 11th February?

Comment from Firefishy on 26 January 2012 at 22:17

11th Feb works for me.

Comment from dcp on 27 January 2012 at 16:33

In this context: A question to Andy Allen!
Is it true that if a user does not accept the ODBL and contributor terms then his/her data will be eliminated forever? I was not aware of this as I could not be bothered to follow the issue or debate on it.
If so, can I do the following:
Isolate the users in question (using the filter function in JOSM) within my area of interest: Change the data a little bit to give it my user-name and therewith keep the data for a few hundred years or am I not allowed to do this.
It seems like a simple solution. It just needs to publish somewhere!

Comment from z-dude on 28 January 2012 at 09:22

Well dcp, that is just laundering non open data to make it look like it's open.
To me, it's not different than looking at a google map and going 'oh, that's main street'.. then naming a traced out street on OSM as 'Main Street'.

I think the project would be better off if a bot deleted all the data, and normal users added streets from open sources.

The other question is a good one: will the non ODBL streets be deleted, or is this just speculation?

Comment from c2r on 28 January 2012 at 15:22

my understanding is that a way, node or relation will be deleted permanently, based on the user that created the way or node, taking all edits with it. shows you cleanmap; how the map will probably look after the deletion has occurred, and badmap, a map based on data that will be deleted.,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created

this link is better for knowing exactly which nodes and ways are affected.

Given my job involves driving the motorways of the UK, I'm using a combination of GPS and Bing to remap these; and also do the same with areas near to me. I'm going to be doing the M40 in the next few days...

Comment from Wynndale on 28 January 2012 at 15:44

I have been treating the work of the main non-accepting mapper in the area as possible trap mapping and making a clean map. For instance I got no response when I asked why he had given a road a number I could not find on other sources and some cycle routes he put on the map appear to have been invented by a club he belongs to.

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