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85454316 almost 4 years ago

Seems that the recent reconstruction is already in the database.

The left lane direction city is left turn only a short section before Gereuthstr.

In the direction out of city the right turn from Münchner Ring has an extra green arrow. The right turns in the Forchheimer str have little impact, only the Kaufland entry is sometimes noticeable. Münchner Ring between Forchheimer str and Berliner Ring also has a number of right and left turns without or with very short extra turn lanes, the right turn lanes onto Berliner Ring start just meters before the intersection so that they are typically blocked by the much heavier northbound traffic.

Local signs are clearly inconsistent at the moment, in the Forchheimer str there are signs "Fernverkehr" and similar in both directions, coming from A73 the routes to city center and Würzburg would actually split at Forchheimer str and "cross" at the segment crossing the RMD channel which is of course nonsense.

I believe the signs were perhaps changed in anticipation of the ongoing reconstruction of the A73 Bamberg south junction where various segments will be closed - it is probably easier to make a single sign change + detour at the intersection Münchnerring/Berliner ring than changing them several times in 3 places during the construction.

Looking at osm.wiki/Attributierung_von_Stra%C3%9Fen_in_Deutschland :

<<Bei der Unterscheidung zwischen den Attributen highway=primary, highway=secondary und highway=tertiary insbesondere sind die Verwaltungsklassen Bundesstraße, Landes-/Staatsstraße und Kreisstraße nur eine Richtschnur! Hier geht es um die jeweilige Verkehrsbedeutung, siehe Beispiele . >>

and

<<
Mehrspurige Durchgangsstraßen, die auch dem überegionalen Durchgangsverkehr dienen, sind typisch für:

highway=secondary

Vorfahrtsberechtigte Durchgangsstraßen, die lediglich ein Stadtviertel oder ein Wohngebiet erschließen, sind typisch für:

highway=tertiary
>>

.. and here is the difficulty because signs and actual usage of the Forchheimer str differ diametrally. If you consider the actual traffic inside Forchheimer str probably 70-90% (depending on time of day) percent are through traffic and the rest Kaufland.

I think this contradicts the criterium "Vorfahrtsberechtigte Durchgangsstraßen, die lediglich ein Stadtviertel oder ein Wohngebiet erschließen, sind typisch für highway=tertiary" but much better fits "Mehrspurige Durchgangsstraßen, die auch dem überegionalen Durchgangsverkehr dienen, sind typisch für: ...."

Last not least, the Forchheimer str is constructed so that the through traffic is privileged. The turn to Gereuth for example is rather restricted, the turns to Kaufland are not but this is to accommodate for relatively rare big events.

85454316 almost 4 years ago

Also the junction Berliner Ring to Forcheimer str was recently rebuilt with full two turn lanes in every direction, this does not look like a tertiary road.

85454316 almost 4 years ago

I don't think that labeling Forchheimer Straße beetween Münchner and Berliner Ring as "tertiary" road is correct. It is the main connection to the freeway from the town center and whole west Landkreis and B22 to Würzburg.

53530271 about 7 years ago

Hi, somehow the highway=* tag went missing in this edit. If this was intentional it is better to use something like "disused:highway=*" and add a note so other mapper know it was not by accident.

For now I have added the tag back.

32888386 about 7 years ago

Please don't use highway=footway for nontrivial alpine paths or ferratas - footways are supposed to be good for "pedestrians" which is anyone who can barely walk.

51652936 about 7 years ago

Stomped over the unusual combination of via_ferrata_scale=5+highway=steps .

Wouldn't it be better to tag it as highway=via_ferrata + rungs=yes?

48099148 about 7 years ago

Using footway for mountain paths or even ferratas is imho not a good idea, the wiki description says "for use by pedestrians" - and this generally means anyone who can barely walk.

Better use via_ferrata or path, if you use path sac_scale is very important unless it is a really easy one.

50555212 about 7 years ago

Please open a ticket with OpenRouteService to support via_ferrata and/or ladder=yes, especially when they are part of a hiking relation.

Routing hacks are not such a good idea.

61917014 about 7 years ago

Hi, noticed that in this edit you added a highway=via_ferrata to a node that is a small distance away from a way called "via_ferrata" - so I merged the edits and hope it is ok like this - see
changeset/64582265

31310564 about 7 years ago

Is there a particular reason why oyu have retagged the ferrata as highway=path ?

36807881 about 7 years ago

Also über highway=path vs highway=via_ferrata haben wir uns schon vortrefflich gestritten, aber ausgerechnet dieses Objekt scheint nicht zu denen zu gehören die man als gutes Beispiel für "highway=path" bezeichnen könnte.

Und wenn schon highway=path verwendet wird dann auf jeden Fall zusammen mit sac_scale - router die highway=path auswerten sind nicht verpflichtet via_ferrata_scale zu kennen und auszuwerten und viele tun das vermutlich auch nicht.

38247099 over 8 years ago

@zstadler: most of the nodes natural=cave should be natural=cave_entrance but not all. It may be that in Israel the data is sufficiently homogenous that you can simply replace it but in other countries I found mappers tagged wine cellars, restaurants and many other objects with nodes of type natural=cave so it needs some manual checking.

39651764 over 8 years ago

Habe es geändert und vorsichtshalber den OC angeschrieben.

changeset/48558910

39644090 over 8 years ago

Bin leider auch nicht von dort, habe es jetzt so verschoben wie es mit Bing aussieht aber im Zweifelsfall lasse ich lieber einen offensichtlichen Fehler drinstehen als einen gut versteckten.

Irgednwie passt auch die "Flussrichtung" vom Flutgraben und dem verbundenen ditch nicht gut zusammen.

38247099 over 9 years ago

Thanks, I have started osm.wiki/Proposed_features/natural%3Dcave and am looking at those places now

38247099 over 9 years ago

The reverted changeset clearly had some errors but I think many of the objects are in fact cave_entrances.

39668724 over 9 years ago

war ausnahmsweise auf Bing unübersehbar eindeutig, keine Mühe machen.

39668724 over 9 years ago

Aber gerne, weißt Du zufällig ob an der Stelle ein Culvert, eine Brücke oder ein Ford ist?

Übrigens bin ich nicht der "Verursacher" wie in Deinem dem Keepright Kommentar vermerkt und es ist auch nicht ein "Fehler" sondern eine Warnung.

39749704 over 9 years ago

sorry.. wrong changeset comment leftover from an earlier changeset. I was doing some local fixes here.

39697460 over 9 years ago

sorry.. wrong changeset comment leftover from an earlier changeset. I was doing some local fixes here.