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just came back from a two week trip to the Allgäu / Germany.
Due to a lot of non-paragliding-weatherconditions there was a lot of spare time for OSM.
Equipment used: a Garmin HCx with 2GB flash with only the OSM based Map on it and as a backup/second data source a simple Royaltec SIRF3-based tracker, both set to a constant sample interval of 5 seconds.

I stored POIs, tracktypes, streetnames and other information into the Garmin-device as waypoints, so I could easily draw OSM data from the GPS-points and the waypoints using JOSM.
I had a laptop with me (offline for two weeks / no wlan anywhere)
and a copy of the OSM data of the area. Uploading the edited OSM-data back
today went without problems.

Some notes about the good things:
* both devices worked fine, were able to easily store the whole GPS-tracks without need to sync them to an external data storage.
* the garmin is quite nice to track and to store information, it works in rain, dirt (pen and paper dont) and darkness, one set of 2Ah batteries will last for more than 12h and it is possible to operate it with one hand. The display got a lot of scratches but i dont mind about this.

Bad things:
* "Waypoint memory full" / 1000 Waypoint-Limitation *ARGH*, WTF, i dont understand this limitation, there are 2GB of memory, this should be enough space. Just to explain: i used a waypoint for every post_box, telephone, power/tower, gate ... this counts up to a maximum of more than 100 Waypoints/day. More than once i had to stop mapping becuse of this stupid limitation, I was forced to manually delete some waypoints (each by each) from a cycling tour some weeks ago (i had a backup of this data on my computer).
Ok, this was not really bad for me because i had my laptop at home, but without the laptop this is a bad limitation.
* Text-length of the waypoints is limited, why? This device has plenty of memory, @Garmin: please fix this.
* annoyances in the Waypoint-user-interface: e.g. i wanted to map a way/name "Wirtschaftsweg Gernschachen", thats a long name, and the default behaviour for the garmin-device is to put the date and time at the beginning of the line, e.g. "11-JUN-08 16:55:07Wirtschaftsweg Gernschachen", and this is too long. So I had to press "Delete" for each Character of "11-JUN-08 16:55:07" to get enough space, thats annoying, where is the "Delete to beginning of line" button?
Even more annoying, I start typing: "11-JUN-08 16:55:07Wirtschaftsw" (ok. Limit reached), so, walking back with the cursor just in front of "Wirtschaftsw" to delete the date, than deleting char-by-char the date, and reaching the last character, the "Del" button converts to "Clr" and kills my text. @Garmin: fix this! Please.
* one last thing, not really bad, only a little annoying: download of the garmin-waypoint-data with gpsbabel and opening the file with josm just shows the "name" of the waypoints, e.g. "Road 14" or "853". This information is useless. So i wrote a XSLT-stylesheet concatinating the name and comment-value
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to a new "name"-leaf, showing me the Text i entered into the garmin in JOSM. Does anybody know about a preferences-switch in JOSM to obsolete my stylesheet?

And one question more: how do i download the barometric height-diagram data to my computer?,
cheers, Alexander

Location: 87538, Obermaiselstein, Hörnergruppe (VGem), Landkreis Oberallgäu, Bavaria, Germany

Discussion

Comment from SuborbitalPigeon on 15 June 2008 at 17:24

There is likely an option in the GPS tracking option page which says "Log to external card". Enable this, as it has no limit.

Comment from robx on 15 June 2008 at 18:20

Regarding the elevation data: If setup correctly, the unit logs to GPX files on the memory card. You can access these by setting the unit to USB mass storage mode, for instance. Files like 20080615.gpx, and these include elevation data.

I don't think it's possible to store waypoints on the memory card, hence the limit. If only we could modify the software running on these...

By the way, I don't think you should expect problems uploading old data with JOSM. It should happily overwrite any changes that happened in the mean time. I believe the 0.6 API will change that.

Cheers
Rob

Comment from colonia on 15 June 2008 at 20:43

Hello Bruce and Rob, Tracks/Setup/DataCardSetup/LogTrackToDataCard :-( just writes the GPS-Tracklogs to the card, this works fine, but this does not save any Waypoint information e.g. I put a waypoint somewhere and label it "Postgasse" e.g. to know the name of this way later.

Concerning the saved tracks to external card there is one more bad thing i like to mention: once the data is saved i cannot access it later on without the help of an external computer, e.g. to watch the GPS-traces a week or more back / e.g. to see if i have already been somewhere.
My device only stores usable information for one day only.
Manually saving tracks each day "Tracks/Save" produces completely inacceptable results when mapping urban areas with a high non-linear motion profile. The device obviously tries to optimize the data to motion vectors and regularly produces crap data of unacceptable bad quality. I dont understand why, because in contrast the daily stored / displayed data is of excellent quality.

Lets see if garmin is a nice company offering a firmware-update,
or if they are patronising evil and just try to sell me $whatever_device[professional] with 3000 Waypoints capacity

Comment from lhahne on 16 June 2008 at 02:52

Do you know that it's possible to load up-to-date OSM maps to your Garmin such that if you have already uploaded your ways, you can see the streets on your Garmin and you don't have to resort to looking at traces to figure out what has been mapped already?

Comment from colonia on 16 June 2008 at 07:16

Shure. But this only works with internet access.

Maybe its possible to render the garmin-maps in an autonomous way directly from OSM data, but i dont know how to do this.

Comment from photohiker on 18 June 2008 at 00:50

The waypoint entry, and the inability to save them to the memorycard are the most annoying 'features' of the Vista HCx IMO.

Have you noticed that in marginal areas (deep forested valleys), there is a significant difference in the accuracy between holding the Vista vertically or horizontally. I used to carry it in a front-facing pocket or on a short lead - it was always vertical except when I held it to view the screen. It must be the location and sensitivity of the patch antenna I guess.

I've installed a patch of velcro on the top of my daypack shoulder harness, and the Vista lives up there now, enjoying the best view of the sky :)

Comment from bernd_herd on 25 June 2008 at 20:53

There is an application available to run on Java-Enabled mobile phones to log data from the (Bluetooth?) GPS-Receiver and allow adding data for OSM Nodes like amenity/post_box and the like. The data is filed immediatly to the memory card and can later be uploaded using JOSM, there is no limitation on the number of nodes. http://beta.arktosmobile.de/aosm/

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