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Posted by Rostranimin on 30 March 2011 in English (English)

Have been meaning to get into OSM for ages. Success at last.
I got frustrated with Salisbury Crags in Holyrood Park in Edinburgh, UK showing up as "Cat Nick". Interesting to see how a misunderstanding spreads from one place to another. I'm wondering if changing something so obvious will cause a reaction - but tend to feel that leaping in is a good way to learn about the OSM community...

Now to the next correction - St Kentigern's ex-Church is wrongly named (although I'm a little less sure of myself on this one. How to raise the issue? Should I just jump in again...?

Location: Lauriston, Tollcross, City of Edinburgh, Scotland, EH3 9HH, United Kingdom

Comment from Strash on 30 March 2011 at 15:08

To be sure you just have to go there and see for yourself.

Then if you're sure about it, just change it yourself !

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Comment from Rostranimin on 30 March 2011 at 15:25

Not so easy! It's no longer an open church and as such won't have a name on the building - and its on private land. And there have been 4 editors previously - none of whom have changed it's name...
But there's plenty of evidence on the internet about the name being wrong.
Maybe it would be polite to ask the last editor- at least this way I've made an attempt to be polite.
Thanks for your comments Strash.

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Comment from LivingWithDragons on 30 March 2011 at 15:40

Attempts to be polite are great in OSM, so I would say go for sending the last editor a message and possibly making a new friend.

Where did the "Cat Nick" name come from. Oh, actually looking at it now it is a part/feature of the crag. If it was the same thing but a local nickname, you could do loc_name=Cat Nick, or alt_name=Cat Nick (not common tags, so use the advanced part of Potlatch 2). The name won't be visible but it will be searchable.

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Comment from EdLoach on 30 March 2011 at 16:14

If we are talking about this node: then as sources on the internet suggest you are correct about the name, but as the church closed in 1941 it probably shouldn't really be tagged as a place of worship any more (even with access=private). I'd probably draw the outline from Bing imagery and tag it building=ex-church old_name=St Kentigern's (or something along those lines). Oh, and once the building was added, remove the node (or move the node to the starting point to draw the building, to sort of keep some connection between the node and the way that replaces it).

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Comment from EdLoach on 30 March 2011 at 16:21

There is a bit about the history here: - as it has also had educational use since being a church I might even just use building=yes rather than being more specific.

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Comment from Rostranimin on 30 March 2011 at 16:22

Yes - Cat Nick was a bit frustrating to work with.
Trust me to choose something difficult as a first edit.
There are all sorts of difficulties.
The feature is in many ways something which on the ground is absent rather than something which is present - it's a missing bit of cliff! It's not a bit of the cliff - and if it was I can't find how to designate this anyway - and if I did the name presumably wouldn't show up anywhere - but it's a name which should be shown in a rendering as its of some local significance.
And it's a natural feature - but not the kind of feature which is normally named by a lay person - but here it is named by lay people!
And it's something I'm sure about - having many years ago gone looking for it and (I'm now told illegally) having scrambled up it - but which has nothing to indicate the name on the ground.
And there's evidence on the internet for my case - but plenty of inaccurate (I think) information too to contradict me, some on quite reputable sites.
I'd be happy to hear comment about whether I've mapped this sensibly by the way. In the end I decided that a very small additional piece of cliff was by far the clearest option.
Oh, and just for good measure this is on 'Salisbury Crags' by which name people would normally mean the cliffs themselves, not the hill (because of its shape). The average person would say 'I'm walking to the top of Salisbury Crags... but they wouldn't be thinking of this as the name of the hill... but neither does it seem reasonable to omit a symbol for 'peak' given that it's such an obvious land feature.
I should have picked a road name or something to edit first shouldn't I!

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Comment from Rostranimin on 30 March 2011 at 16:23

Hey - thanks for comments. Great to feel welcomed!

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Comment from marscot on 31 March 2011 at 13:06

Cat Nick (neuk) is the name of a small valley in the craigs and not the name of the peak

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