OpenStreetMap
- Missing road type : Dual Carriageway.
Significant as legislation is different on this type of road.
- Street naming style
I’m playing with Millom - notably King St and Queen St, chopping and changing cuts/sections so that the priority streetname crosses the streets that have to give way.
Comments ???
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Map rendering(?) issue - random beach appearing at some zoom levels well inland in iD edit mode. Nr. Silecroft. I’ve captured images of the problem. Various triggers cause the issue to come and go (SAVE, ZOOM+, ZOOM-, REFRESH PAGE). Maybe it’s stopped happening now ??? !
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Are we supposed to mark settlements with a large residential area ? I see some are and some aren’t so marked.
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tag search results: ‘1 result for “war memorial” ‘ - yet “war memorial” doesn’t come up in the results to be chosen. It’s ‘difficult’ finding the correct tags as they’re not always available - e.g. Level Crossing.
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Adding points to lines - is there a better way than adding a stand-alone point to the map and then dragging it onto the line you want to add a point to ? Why can’t there be an ‘add point’ icon at all positions along a line rather than just at the ends ?
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Is this the best forum for discussions and issue-raising ? I looked at the wiki but it needs another login - something not even needed on Wikipedia !
Having got that lot off my chest….
Hi, I’m new here - and recently rejoined the OSM contributors - having found updating Google maps so tricky!
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How do you ‘read’ from the maps - having just noticed the lat/long boxes below - that’s a useful tool (‘use map) - just wish both co-ords were in one box !
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Google has ‘My Maps’ function - is something similar available with OSM ?
All for now,
Mike.
Discussion
Comment from pnorman on 2 December 2014 at 09:45
For the ability draw data on top of OSM data you can use umap.
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 2 December 2014 at 12:04
umap.—.fr is in French - not surprisingly. WHY ?
Comment from Sanderd17 on 2 December 2014 at 12:22
1: The road types are a classification of importance (i.e. how many people use them).
Since the system originated in GB, it follows the names used there. Other legal differences (like maxspeed) are noted by using different tags or a different way of mapping.
In the case of dual carriageways, it has to be mapped as two parallel ways in both directions. That way, it becomes clear.
2: You shouldn’t split streets in arbitrary points. Certainly not to get different rendering. Instead, you can use higway=stop and highway=giveway nodes on the other roads. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dgive_way
When the mapnik devs find it important to render names like this, they can always use these nodes.
3.1: The renderer needs some time to update. Certainly in the last days, as the rendering style changed a bit, and the servers had to render a lot of new tiles. So the waiting times were longer than normal.
That causes different zooms to show different ages of tiles. Just wait a bit to find it updated (the more you zoom out, the longer you’ll have to wait, as the more data it needs to process to make that tile).
3.2: If you know names of neighbourhoods or localities, you can map those. They can be interesting. However, these names are often hard to find, so they’re not mapped a lot.
3.3: That’s just a matter of time before you know the tags. War memorials are just like other memorials, so a search for “memorial” should bring you to the correct tag. And you can always use the search feature on the wiki to find the correct tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page (the wiki documents the tags you see in the advanced section of the editor)
3.4: When you select a way, you see the nodes (as circles), but you also see arrows in the middle of the segments to show the technical direction of the way (important for one-way streets f.e.). But that arrow has a dual function. If you hoover it, you’ll see a +-sign next to your mouse cursor. And when you drag the arrow, a new node will be created there.
I hope this is what you wanted.
3.5: That depends on your community and what you want to discuss or ask. There’s IRC (live chat): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Irc (use it for quick questions, or small discussions) There’s the help site: https://help.openstreetmap.org/ (use this to ask help, not to discuss stuff) You can also subscribe to a mailing list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists (most veteran OSM users are subscribed to multiple mailing lists) There are also forums: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/ (not all communities are active on the forum, check if there are people before you ask or discuss something) And the wiki is mainly for documentation (of tags and tools), it isn’t used a lot for discussion, and certainly not to ask help.
Some of these services indeed require separate accounts, but that’s just a result of history.
4.1: No idea what you mean here. But the OSM main page isn’t the only one offering OSM data for display. OSM offers the data, and others are supposed to work with it (make search engines, navigation devices, renderings, …). The things you find on the main page are just examples of what can be done, and they serve to attract new mappers and data users.
On the wiki, you can find a lot of smartphone apps and websites using OSM in clever ways (s.a. umap mentioned by pnorman).
4.2: I think umap is indeed the way to go. Though it’s still under development.
Comment from Sanderd17 on 2 December 2014 at 12:24
PmaiIkeey about your question of why it’s in French. Well, it’s not part of OSM, it’s build around OSM (like so many other tools).
And it just happens to be build by a French. However, it’s also available in English on that site: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/ (which is in fact the link pnorman gave you)
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 2 December 2014 at 16:31
3.4 - that’s useful to know !
It’s still in French ! http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/ is where I was looking and I suspect that’s a French site written in English showing French mapping. It’s looking like umap users are not selecting the correct language for their maps. http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ideas-hive-projects-and-people_14384#11/54.7736/-1.5504 is a French-based map.
Comment from RobJN on 2 December 2014 at 18:10
Not sure what you mean as it’s all in English for me. What browser/OS are you using?
And I agree that you shouldn’t split streets at arbitrary points just to get the name to render in a specific location. There are more than just the default renderer and what works for one, won’t work for another. We should focus on quality map data.
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 2 December 2014 at 20:16
Since when has “Londres” been the capital of England ? Cantorbéry in Kent ? Archipel de Saint-Kilda - off the NW coast of Scotland and my brother was def. not born in Lancastre !
Chrome Win8 - in Eng. UK !
I think splitting streets is a good way to show priorities by having the main roadname spanning the intersections - it adds info that otherwise doesn’t appear to appear - like speed limit changes. Such splits can improve the information available on the map.
Similarly for footpaths - the map ought to show which are wheelchair-friendly. It’s all very well having it tagged as such but there’s little point if that’s not shown on the map.
Comment from Rovastar on 3 December 2014 at 02:08
For splitting ways if there is a change in type, speed limits, etc then you can change it. I am not sure what other reasons you want to change them just so something that appears on the map.
Oh please don’t change the classification of the street unless you have done some research.
I noticed that you seem to have changed roads around here:
www.openstreetmap.org/way/5648907/history
Trunk roads are A roads by signposted by the green signs. Primaries are A roads without green signs.
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 3 December 2014 at 23:15
Rovastar - if you do your research properly, Trunk roads are those maintained by the Highway Agency rather than the Local Authority. The colour of road-signs has sod all to do with it.
They are denoted on OS maps as: ‘Roadname (T)’
Please change them back and then do your research for the rest of the country to make sure those aren’t incorrectly labelled too.
OH! I’ve done your research for you now, here: http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Trunk_road
It even mentions the fact that your confusion is commonplace !
Please also note, I’m rarely wrong ! (but do feel free to keep me in check).
Mike.
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 3 December 2014 at 23:24
Well, they were denoted ‘roadnumber (T)’ on OS maps. Maybe OS have dropped this now ???
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 3 December 2014 at 23:34
See: http://lonewalker.net/wp-content/uploads/imgres15.jpg
for A419 (T)
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 4 December 2014 at 12:59
Having now read the wiki re OSM classification ‘Trunk’, the road does not fit this either “A high performance road” - since opposing vehicles have to stop in wide bits to allow other vehicles to crawl past - in various places. “single lane road.”
It doesn’t even fit the botanical definition - since the road is around the peripheries of the country.
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 4 December 2014 at 17:08
What is clear is the fact that whoever labelled the roads as ‘trunk’ has never used these roads.
Comment from Rovastar on 4 December 2014 at 23:27
You seem to be confusing OSM “standards” and what the HA, OS or Sabre say they are.
Often these are the same but infact they are different. We are not the HA, OS or SABRE.
The general rule for the UK is that the Green sign is Trunk for A roads and A roads without it is not. As I am sure you are aware that is the case for these roads.
Hence why others have changed it since changed them.
Maybe this can be opened up with the wider UK community on the UK mailing list where it can be discussed further but the system we use has been established for many years.
Comment from PmaiIkeey on 5 December 2014 at 09:58
It’s certainly a source of confusion - the label ‘trunk’. So it seems is the label ‘unclassified’. Both issues under the spotlight on relevant wiki talk pages.
Taking the OSM definition of trunk - the A595 frequently falls well short to be in that classification.
Mike.
Comment from Rovastar on 5 December 2014 at 13:41
It is probably best to look at the uk guidelines
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines