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120661582 over 3 years ago

The "name" should be in Greek and not "Peace and Friendship Stadium Park", as described in this wiki article:
osm.wiki/Greece#Names

124141897 over 3 years ago

forgot to say "source: survey"

110683548 over 4 years ago

Lidl,
ugh.

110683548 over 4 years ago

fixed Lidle parking road. (Forgot changeset comment).

100353337 over 4 years ago

Specifically please read this section:

osm.wiki/Names#Avoid_transliteration

100353337 over 4 years ago

I reverted your greeklish transliteration. Please read the wiki page for "name" so you don't make this mistake again.

110191678 over 4 years ago

forgot to add source:survey

103816976 over 4 years ago

@pppetros, This church existed already as a building. Why did you add a duplicate church node? You have made the same error with countless churches all over Greece! What was the rationale behind this? Am I missing something here?

109846534 over 4 years ago

Thanks for the response. First off, I agree with the point about road classification and road quality being two separate concerns in OSM. The reason I seem to conflate them in my original objection is because actually the road quality in this case affects the real-world use of the road and therefore indirectly affects its classification (i.e. only farmers use it).

Regarding the actual classification There are two parts to my argument. The first concerns the phrase you quoted from the wiki. You quote a part of the highway=unclassified wiki page which mentions the ambiguous word "connect". What does it mean that a highway "connects" two villages? If we quote more of the sentence it is partially clarified:

"highway=unclassified should be used for roads used for local traffic, and for roads used to connect other towns, villages or hamlets"

The key phrase here is "local traffic". This brings us back to my original contention. This road is _not_ used for local traffic. Local traffic to Κάτω Μούσουρα comes from further South from Αγριλιά where there is an asphalt road in reasonably good condition. Therefore, if to connect implies the existence of local traffic, this road does not in this sense connect the two villages Κεφαλόβρυσο and Κάτω Μούσουρα.

For the second part of my argument I will refer to the same wiki page in the "How to Map > When is this applicable?" section which essentially states:

"when other highway=* tags are more applicable, use those instead. If a public road is [among others] not a highway=track", then it's probably an unclassified road."

So finally, I will argue that this road qualifies as a highway=track. In the highway=track wiki page, under "How to decide" there are several conditions which qualify or disqualify a highway for being a track. I posit that there is no condition that disqualifies this road (we can actually argue this point if you disagree) but I will specifically point to this condition: "A farm track used for access to crop fields, pastures, orchards or similar agricultural land." This is exactly what this road is used for. Also the final sentence "As long as the primary purpose of the road is land access, highway=track is appropriate." Again, this is a match because farmers use this road to get to their fields.

So, in short: It's a track and not an unclassified road because only farmers use it and people who want to move between the two villages chose the other, safer and more passable routes.

Apologies for the wall of text but I wanted to be clear about my arguments. Thanks for reading and for your consideration.

109737214 over 4 years ago

This road is a highway:track according to all the conditions outlined in the wiki for track. I know this because I surveyed it as indicated in changeset/109605800 where I marked it as such.

Please review your process at Apple that causes you to destroy local knowlegeg and survey data. Someone from pple made the same error here changeset/109846534

109846534 over 4 years ago

Hi Brimketill,

I have reverted this back to highway:track. I actually surveyed this road last week. It meets all the criteria outlined in the wiki for track. It is an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS ROAD that only some farmers use with 4x4 vehicles. Nobody else has any business going through there.

Please review your process at Apple that leads to these kinds of regressions where you overwrite survey data with interpretations of Esri imagery.