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152949387 over 1 year ago

FYI - automated address update script already restored the address for this building: https://osm.mapki.com/history/way/727992529

138297689 over 1 year ago

I reverted parts of this changeset to restore the deleted paths

changeset/151016174

149480492 over 1 year ago

Hi! If the restaurant is permanently closed, it would be better to add lifecycle prefix tag:
osm.wiki/Key%3Adisused%3Aamenity

148719793 over 1 year ago

Please try to make sure you don't break bicycle routing with such changes. Keep in mind that highway=footway needs bicycle tag, otherwise it is not routable by some data consumers.

141442421 almost 2 years ago

In this particular case there seems to be an official name in teeregister:
https://teeregister.mnt.ee/reet/map?featureOid=8078962

145961031 almost 2 years ago

Use tools like OSM Deep History to see who and when changed this particular way:
https://osm.mapki.com/history/way/166736405

141257594 almost 2 years ago

This shop=supermarket tag seems very confusing. If walk-in customers can't buy good from this "supermarket" it shouldn't be defined as one. Even inventing new tag seems more appropriate if existing tags aren't suitable.

144441885 about 2 years ago

qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq, I apologize if my responses have come across as offensive in any way. I am genuinely puzzled by the existence of a 6km old railway, repurposed as a "jalgratta- ja jalgtee" without any motorized traffic, and yet, in the middle, there is a ~100m section that is somehow not designated for bikes. This seems illogical to me.

I don't really care what is in the Tallinn map, I just used it as an additional reference. My only arguments are:

Kitsarööpa tee is clearly defined in the teeregister: https://teeregister.mnt.ee/reet/map?featureOid=8308002

The entire Kitsarööpa tee appears to be well-marked (although this is based on my subjective opinion). According to the Liiklusseadus, the entire road should be classified as "jalgratta- ja jalgtee."

I believe that safety and usability concerns are subjective and may not be entirely helpful in determining whether Kitsarööpa tee, as a whole, qualifies as a "jalgratta- ja jalgtee" or not.

144441885 about 2 years ago

qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq, let's consider a scenario where the Tallinna linnavalitsus intends to improve the signs and markings along Kitsarööpa tee to clearly indicate that the entire road is designated for cyclists and pedestrians. There are no actual changes made to the surface, width, or other physical aspects. Where precisely should these signs and markings be placed?

144441885 about 2 years ago

Pikse, thank you for your feedback!

Based on my understanding, Kitsarööpa tee does have proper "jalgratta- ja jalgtee" signs at every major intersection with motorized traffic. Additionally, there are numerous small footways and (informal) paths that allow entry and exit onto Kitsarööpa tee. Does qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq genuinely believe that there should be extra signage after each such intersection?

This changeset should be reverted because it may adversely affect routing. Considering the popularity of this cycling infrastructure, I believe it's irresponsible to remove the designated tag for this ~100m section.

PS: I acknowledge that there are places where cycling infrastructure signs and markings are inadequate and confusing. In such instances, different individuals may interpret them differently. However, I don't think Kitsarööpa tee falls into this category.

144441885 about 2 years ago

Unfortunately I don't recall seeing any "Jalgratta- ja jalgtee lõpp" signs after the bridge crossing...

So this all boils down to subjective evaluation - is this short section safe as a bicycle infrastructure?

144441885 about 2 years ago

Now I'm starting to get curious :)

Lets say you are coming from east side towards the bridge. In the beginning there are "Jalgratta- ja jalgtee" signs: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1462499577421908&focus=photo

At what point do you feel this kergliiklustee suddenly ends? Are there any intersections with other small paths where you think necessary traffic signs are missing and therefore this Kitsarööpa tee is no longer Jalgratta- ja jalgtee?

144441885 about 2 years ago

Just to be clear, Kitsarööpa tee has a very clear definition. As far as I've noticed this definition aligns with:
1) what is "on the ground"
2) what is in teeregister
3) what is in the official Tallinn map
4) how it is used by cyclists

In all instances Kitsarööpa tee is defined as kergliiklustee or "jalgratta- ja jalgtee".

The fact that a small sections of Kitsarööpa tee might be more dangerous or have different surfaces, does not change the definition of Kitsarööpa tee.

144441885 about 2 years ago

What doesn't matter? In every intersection with motorized traffic Kitsarööpa tee has "jalgratta- ja jalgtee" signs.

144441885 about 2 years ago

Kitsarööpa tee is one continuous road:
https://teeregister.mnt.ee/reet/map?featureOid=8308002

144441885 about 2 years ago

1) https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1462499577421908&focus=photo

2) Use width to indicate how narrow or wide it is. This particular section is regularly used by thousands of cyclist: https://www.strava.com/segments/14231541

144441885 about 2 years ago

I disagree with this change. Kitsarööpa tee as a whole is a significant part of Tallinn's cycling infrastructure, and it MUST be tagged with bicycle=designated. I strongly suggest that you restore bicycle=designated tag.

144328163 about 2 years ago

I'm fairly certain that bicycle=designated applies to whole Kitsarööpa tee:

https://www.tallinn.ee/et/jalgrattateed-ja-rattaparklad-tallinnas

https://teeregister.mnt.ee/reet/map?featureOid=8308002

144187229 about 2 years ago

Palun vaata, et sa täiendavaid silte lisades, hoonetelt building silti ära ei võta. Hetkel taastasin selle: changeset/144188071

144007711 about 2 years ago

Hi! When deleting buildings, please check source/source:addr tags. Buildings with 2023 in source might not be visible in current orthophoto, but can be visible in kiirortofoto: https://fotoladu.maaamet.ee/?basemap=kiirortofoto&zlevel=15,27.28146,58.20663&fotoarhiiv&overlay=tyhi

Currently I restored this deleted building: way/1222925761/history

PS: Maa-amet põhikaart is updated once per year. Maa-amet also has "Kaart" imagery that is updated daily and can be used in iD as custom background:

https://kaart.maaamet.ee/wms/alus-geo?LAYERS=CORINE,BAASKAART,KAART24,HALDUSPIIRID,TEED,KYLAD&STYLES=&FORMAT=image/jpeg&CRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=256&HEIGHT=256&BBOX={https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bbox}&VERSION=1.3.0&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap