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64919426 about 7 years ago

But hold up, the vast majority of these segments within OSM are already shown as motorways. Is it your assertion that you have the authority to unilaterally make the decision to change all of these? Or is this a broader discussion and the current standard as shown on the actual OSM map should be upheld in the meantime?

The 184-20/26 designation is particularly absurd because there's still one interchange on 20/26 before it becomes a surface freeway and besides the number change you can't tell that anything has happened. Making that delineation there is entirely arbitrary.

64919426 about 7 years ago

Okay but hold up here - you're saying that all these things should be defined differently than they are right now. Shouldn't OSM be using uniform standards and not just the Mr. Paul Johnson standards?

64919426 about 7 years ago

Mr. Johnson,

This is the most outrageous and inaccurate misapplication of the trunk designation I have seen in my entire adult life. I would please point you to the Washington State Route 509 freeway in Tacoma, Washington as an example of why this segment of the Tisdale Parkway should clearly and obviously be designated as a motorway and not as a trunk.

Good day, sir.

55397514 almost 8 years ago

I see this more as a situation like US 6 nationwide, where you have an official designation of "Grand Army of the Republic Highway," and in many states the route itself has occasional signs to that effect.

OSM does not designate that route as "Grand Army of the Republic Highway" when the road is more commonly known by other names, even if there is occasional signage to that effect and it is officially designated as such, even with in city limits (where it may also be named "Main Street" or something, and the "Main Street" name is what is used since that has more navigational utility).

The approaches from all intersections and interchanges along the Liberty Parkway segment read either "Turnpike" or "Creek Turnpike. "

I would further dispute that the road itself is officially known as "Liberty Parkway" (it's definitely not "Liberty Memorial Parkway" - there's no evidence to that effect anywhere) any more than it is known as "Creek Turnpike" for reasons already stated above.

55397514 almost 8 years ago

While I appreciate that at two ends of the highway there is a "Liberty Parkway" sign, I find the argument that people can use those two signs for navigation to be somewhat befuddling.

All of the approaches to this segment of road read "Creek Turnpike" - think about it like a surface street. If I'm driving down Main Street looking for Central Avenue, I know I am turning onto Central Avenue when the approach from Main Street says "Central Ave." Once I turn onto Central I'm not looking for confirming signage.

In this case, all the approaches to this route segment read "Creek Turnpike," so I find it rather confusing that you'd argue that that road name is only known by "road geeks and locals" and is not more useful than "Liberty Parkway" for navigation.

55397514 almost 8 years ago

Isn't loc_name typically used for things that are not commonly signed and are only known by locals? In this case, "Creek Turnpike" is signed on dozens of signs (whereas Liberty Parkway is only signed on a couple), and is known as such in official forward-facing documents and by subsequent resolutions (e.g. that which designated SH-364). I don't think that's in the spirit of the loc_name parameter.

55397514 almost 8 years ago

Fair enough, though it is clear based on both number of signs and the way ODOT/OTA have treated this road that "Creek Turnpike" should be the primary name with "Liberty Parkway" serving as the alternate name.
Liberty Parkway is not a useful designation for navigation and from signage and other administrative actions (e.g. the 364 designation) it is clear that ODOT and OTA regard "Liberty Parkway" as a secondary name.

55397514 almost 8 years ago

Additionally, "Liberty Memorial Parkway" as opposed to "Liberty Parkway" is without dispute an incorrect name. There is neither signage supporting the "Memorial" nor any official designation.

55397514 almost 8 years ago

This is inaccurate. There is no signage on the westbound segment of "Liberty Parkway" and there is a single ground mounted sign on the eastbound segment while there are multiple overhead signs in both directions for "Creek Turnpike."

The primary name of the roadway should be "Creek Turnpike"

http://www.corcohighways.org/creektpk.pdf

55367616 almost 8 years ago

The "Liberty Memorial Parkway" designation is clearly an ancillary designation to "Creek Turnpike" and not the primary name of the roadway based on the PDF to which you linked.

All signage still indicates "Creek Turnpike" and ODOT sources indicate that it and the Turnpike Agency still consider that to be the primary name of the roadway. Calling this "Liberty Memorial Parkway" is confusing and misleading for road users and not reflective of reality.

55367616 almost 8 years ago

This is not accurate. Please see: osm.wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule

and
http://www.pikepass.com
http://www.odot.org/tcomm/agendas14/tc_agenda-20140310-r-special.pdf

Despite your legislative link, the highway is clearly referred to in common practice as "Creek Turnpike" and should be noted as such. Please revert.