https://active.kartes.lv/?salaspils perhaps this will work.

Great, unfortunately we don't have many mappers in latvia but it's great to have other mappers in this region so it's easier to verify and double check information, btw i have some images of the river and some old maps witch are revelent but idk how to send them

Hi hellmap,I disagree with your point of view for several compelling reasons:

1. Continuity Despite Alterations: Numerous rivers globally have undergone artificial course changes and remain recognized as the same river. Modifying a section of the course doesn't fundamentally alter the identity of the river.

2. Extensive Tributary Network:After surveying the area, including a visit just three hours ago, I saw an intricate tributary network. Multiple small streams and ditches flow into the river, each with their own smaller tributaries, showcasing a complex hydrological system.

3. Decent Flow Indicators: In specific sections, the river exhibits a noticeable narrowing and increased water visibility, indicating a substantial flow that aligns with the characteristics often associated with small rivers.

4. Ambiguity in River Definition:The lack of a universally clear-cut definition for a river leads to varied interpretations. Given the absence of a precise definition, this rivers features and contributions make a compelling case for its classification as a river.

5. Impact on Canal and Downstream: this rivrr significantly influences the canal, serving as its primary water source. This, in turn, plays a crucial role in sustaining Dārziņu Ateca.

6. Consistency Over Time:While historical significance might not be a direct classification factor, the continuity of this rivers characteristics over a century underscores its identity as the same river/stream, despite changes in mapping conventions.

7. Artificial Changes with Daugava Connection: Despite artificial alterations redirecting the river away from the Daugava, its waters still ultimately find their way into the Daugava river, highlighting a historical connection.

8. Distinguishing Natural Origin:* this river and its tributaries predominantly originate from natural springs, maintaining a connection to its natural origin. Even minor contributions from man-made sources don't negate its overall natural character.

In summary, while acknowledging the existence of smaller ditches, the evidence supports the classification of the river as a river, falling within the spectrum of small rivers, especially considering its natural spring origin and the intricate network it sustains.

Thanks (btw this took my a long time to make lol)

Hi hellmap, from what I've read from osm a river is considered a body of water that cannot be jumped across by an adult man (around 3m) this stream/river is around 4-5m wide and cannot be jumped across. This stream/river appears on pre soviet era maps (meaning pre flooding of lands next to the Daugava river due to the hes) showing it's Natural course flowing into the Daugava river, i also believe this river/stream is natural due to it's early appearance on maps and it's course appearing natural and the large number of tributerys, there are also other nearby rivers witch have the same property's such as Bļuķupe witch os a river with close to the same water level and same destination yet is still considered a river.

let me know what you think of this,
Thanks