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Proper tagging for conditional restriction and which services are reading them? 28 days ago

osmand supposedly supports conditional access for some combinations.

But nothing is likely to support what you tagged: - maxweightrating is essentially unused compared to maxweight - conditional restriction tagging in turn restrictions isn’t supported by anybody afaik (and the comment wrt maxweightrating applies even more here) - in general the conditional tagging grammar is massively underspecified and mainly serves to humour people that think stringing long combinations of tags together is a good idea and will actually do something.

The question is, why tag it in such a complicated and likely non-functional fashion in the first place? Simply add maxweight:hgv=10 to the road segment going straight on (and if necessary any thing going off to the right) and that should force router that support maxweight:hgv to not plan the route straight on and plan a turn to the left (if you feel better about it you can add maxweightrating:hgv tags too).

Vespucci News December 2020 28 days ago

There are some known issues with 15.1 that will be fixed in the January maintenance up date https://github.com/MarcusWolschon/osmeditor4android/issues (or if you are building the app yourself as soon as you re-build).

Vespucci News December 2020 29 days ago

@SK53 there are some underlying architectural issues, that, if changed, would make use on large screen devices easier. Essentially it is re-factoring to allow use of the property editor in parallel with the map display. This isn’t such an issue on phones as there is no space to display it any way (though there are some other reasons why this would still be helpful).

OSMF 2020 proposed AoA and mission statement changes about 2 months ago

@apm-wa to clarify this again: I’m not accusing the board of dark motives, or anything else than the best intentions. I’m just pointing out that things seem to be confused with respect to how the working groups were operating up to now and the impact of the proposed change.

OSMF 2020 proposed AoA and mission statement changes about 2 months ago

Just a comment on “ I originally proposed it as a working group but was informed by old-timers that working groups may ONLY be created by the community, not by the Board,” the old timers in question must of have suffered a lapse of memory because if anything the exact opposite was true, see the board minutes I linked to.

Naturally creating a working group without community buy in the sense that there are actually people prepared to work on it is difficult, so obviously creating the working group and having people willing to serve on it tend to go hand in hand which is what might have caused the confusion.

OSMF 2020 proposed AoA and mission statement changes about 2 months ago

There is nothing stopping the board from creating an additional agreement outside of the NDAs that would define the space in which volunteers can act. But in any case if the board is concerned that it can’t, legally squeaky clean, delegate responsibility to non-board members, then it doesn’t just have an issue with volunteers and the working groups, it is going to have one with employees too. So best completely revamp this in the AoAs instead of doing something that in practical terms is just going to cause issues.

OSMF 2020 proposed AoA and mission statement changes about 2 months ago

_ But if they’d create a working group or a different informal structure for that, they’d run into the problem that such entity could not make any legally binding statements towards personnel (like instructing them what to do, handle requests for leave, dealing with payment matters, approval of deliverables/invoices from independent contractors etc.)_

What do you think the working groups have been doing the last decade+? Naturally within an agreed remit and budget, and with the purse strings held by the treasurer (in a larger organisation that would typically be delegated to staff too), but de facto this has been done by the WG, who do you think signed off on all the trademark related bills, or who orders and checks hardware? In the real world and not lala land, boards of companies do not actually do all the work themselves.

Nominatim and Postcodes 42000 vs 41200 about 2 months ago

The solution is to simply add addresses (with postcodes), naturally only if Malaysia uses something that fits in to the Schema we currently use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr If it doesn’t that is something that would have to be discussed.

2020 Editor Usage 2 months ago

And this is the app https://www.refill.bz.it/?mz=9&mc=46.640008243515915,11.351623535156252 looks harmless, probably just buggy.

2020 Editor Usage 2 months ago

@SomeoneElse see for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/danielbir with > 6000 empty changesets.

2020 Editor Usage 2 months ago

@SomeoneElse I was actually prompted to have a quick look at the empty changeset numbers, and they have doubled from the usual ~5’000/month since August and the “Refill Südtirol” app is the major culprit (for the increase, the rest are the usual suspects JOSM, maps.me and id).

Generating a list of user ids as I write.

2020 Editor Usage 2 months ago

There are regularly updated statistics on editor usage avaliable here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editor_usage_stats

It seems as if you are actually using changeset counts and not edits as you claim, this is not only extremely mislieading and distorts actual use of the various apps, changeset counts are simply not a good metric for anything.

Enable Strava High Resolution Layer + OpenStreetMap (JOSM or ID) 3 months ago

@CjMalone this has been tried numerous times and the result has been the non-commital statements we’ve receive to date (not an outright no, but not an outright and clear, official “yes” either).

Enable Strava High Resolution Layer + OpenStreetMap (JOSM or ID) 3 months ago

Please note that when you are using this Strava layer that there is no actual permission to use the data and you are running the risk of having your edits removed if there is trouble down the road (and that is why you need to use hackish workarounds to access the layer in the 1st place).

Exploring machine learning assisted and traditional digitizing of map features in 'OpenStreetMap' 3 months ago

You don’t mention how the models you intend to employ were trained. Regardless of the source of the training data, you need to consider that there may be residual intellectual property from the source of the training data in the output of the models.

Die Einbahnstrasse auf der Radfahrerkarte zeigt in die falsche Richtung htung 4 months ago

This looks like a known artefact of the rendering on OpenCycleMap, that is due to the ways being merged and ending up pointing in the wrong direction. The creator of OCM is working on the issue, but this make some time to fix.

Beware: version 3.14 (and earlier) of OsmAnd for iOS moves OSM POIs without telling you 4 months ago

@tyr_asd “if” is the key, it just isn’t clear right now if it includes the version or not. Regardless of ToU compliance or none, version specific blocking currently can only happen if the user agent includes the version (and that it is running on iOS I suppose), as there is no API internal way of blocking apps based on a version string or similar.

Beware: version 3.14 (and earlier) of OsmAnd for iOS moves OSM POIs without telling you 4 months ago

@stephan75 If the version isn’t reported in the user agent on upload there is no easy way to do that.

Vespucci 15.0 5 months ago

@Wynndale as noted, you can still use ELI if you so wish.

Technically the contents/attributes of the JOSM imagery list are very similar with ELI so there is no functionality being lost for 3rd party apps that use one or the other.

The fact that I’m at least to dumb to understand just how the JOSM devs intended imagery selection work in a reasonable fashion (and I’ve been using it over a decade), is just an implementation issue and doesn’t have anything to do with the actual contents.

Both systems are struggling with the number of entries, and I suspect over time that we will have to move to an API based system for retrieval.

Thoughts on the how and where of the OSMF starting to hand out money in the OSM community 5 months ago

I don’t really think that a singular quirk, which in the end is due to a disagreement between Andy and Matt on architectural issues, is anything else than an exception to the rule.