Or if graham fitzpatrick, the DWG person I was talking with to try to come up with a resolution, wishes to continue our conversation you have my email.

Eerib

Your claim is completely false. I find it difficult to work with anonymous liars in good faith.

I have asked, through DWG to arrange to meet with you to discuss our differences and you refused, and they failed to mediate.

Your obsessive impulse to inaccurately map trails is irresponsible and disrespectful.

My only recourse is to try to correct your misinformation

I don’t understand why you changed the tags

Access=no
Decommissioned:highway=yes
Applies to trails closed by the land manager.

A closed trail Access values describe restrictions on the use of paths. Add access=no to a trail (such as a highway=path) to signal that it is off-limits.
For trails that are additionally in a degraded state, consider adding a lifecycle prefix to the highway=* key, such as disused:highway=pathor abandoned:highway=pathdepending on the situation.

osm.wiki/United_States/Trails_Stewardship_Initiative

Eerib,

You’re offer is a sham. You spread lies to support your actions. You want to be able to map everything regardless of the consequences. Many people who are affected by your actions resent and are angry with you.

If an effective tagging solution could have been developed, it would have been implemented back when the issues you created first arose with mapping unsanctioned trails, huts, saunas, and Indigenous sites. This would prevent any counterproductive consequences. This is something the DWG should have implemented had they really been interested in resolving the conflicts you created.

Fyi eerib.

Osm could be good, but it needs standards.
https://nsmb.com/forum/forum/the-shore-3/topic/osm-mess-133674/?page=4

Talk is cheap Eerib.

Keep hiding.

Eerib,

Your false accusations are getting tiring. I have not vandalized anything. Please refrain from making up lies.

Your other accusations are also baseless. I can only assume you continue repeating these lies since you can do so cowardly behind your anonymity.

I do not feel a productive conversation can exist while you continue making lies up about me.

Applying unofficial difficulty ratings is irresponsible. But so long as this is clear when used by third party apps so they know OSM is unreliable then that is the unfortunate reality.

The difference between osm and trailforks, I don’t know mountain project, is they present the info as a network, I know trailforks also applies ratings based on the organizations managing the network. OSM is a messy mass of data that’s used by third party apps. It could be better but, I guess that’s your choice.

Also show me examples of trails with a climb rating of 3 and 4

Most climb trails are either climb trails or not.

As you mentioned, ratings are given to trails “ by designated authorities and mountain bike associations to uphill only trails so it makes sense that we apply that rating to those trails as well.”

Therefor, you, as a responsible mapper, should only apply ratings that correspond to that trail on a map used by recreationalists. Applying ratings randomly just creates confusion.

Eerib,

I find it hard to take you seriously when you continue with these unfounded accusations.

Please clarify these deceitful and criminal actions you accuse me of.

With actual facts.

Well it comes up as imba2 on strava, which is easy/green.

Hopefully strava realizes this inaccuracy and stops using osm data.

Yes there is indeed confusion when you apply a rating where it does not make sense.

Same as applying an uphill rating when you cannot ride uphill. Fortunately this confusing tag of yours is not rendered on 3rd party apps so it will only be confusing to people who can figure out how to access trail information on osm.

I realize you are not a mountain biker, and it seems that as a mapper you feel the need to add every random tag, albeit inconsistently, to any and all trails.

This is why this network, as represented on osm, is so confusing and convoluted. If this information remained in your little world that would be fine, but it’s not.

Accuracy of information should be a goal.

Not all trails are the same, and not all trails should be represented the same as you seem to believe.

Mountain bikers, if they see this tag, will assume you can ride down it.

This is just a fact.

This indiscriminate use of tags is why OSM is so confusing. I won’t even go into the numbers you use which are inconsistent with IMBA as well. It’s actually irresponsible to use the IMBA acronym so irresponsibly.

Regards.

Now that the trail status has been agreed upon, is there an answer for Sun2306?

Updated description. Q: should a sufficiently decommissioned trail have a sac_scale and imba_scale? Shouldn't they reflect the on-the-ground reality as opposed to the historical reality?

Furthermore shouldn’t there be an attribute that could flag a trail as unsanctioned, decommissioned, sensitive or dangerous such that it can be hidden in Third Party Navigation Apps?

This sign was at the bottom of the trail at the end of August.

https://imgur.com/a/3l6Vggm

For further confirmation send Eerib up. Since obviously you’ll only believe him.

Eerib thinks all trails should be tagged as mountain bike trails. Cause he knows what’s best!

#keepitconfusing

Emailing DWG is useless.

Much better if this misinformation is attributed to you.

Link to current trail status

https://imgur.com/a/8pd5WAt

Trail is decommissioned and impassable.

I understand that your priority is more about quantity than quality, and you have no concern about trail conditions.

These additions will only degrade the relevance of OSM data.

As for your accusations. I feel no need to address accusations from an anonymous poster.

Your hypocrisy is laughable. So much for dedication to truth. If you show honesty you might get some in return.

Wow. Just wow.

Thanks for the update.

All good!

Name is back to broken old wood.

https://imgur.com/a/FL3uxlw

Thanks for the info. Interesting sign. Not sure why the name was changed.

I added it 5 years ago, you even edited it and didn’t change it then.

I’m asking about who changed the name. I’ll let you know.