Best I got is technology is hard, open source distributed systems even moreso. Cant say I have experience in JOSM repos though (they are not known to be the most beginner friendly) so not sure where to point you. That said, it's also not well documented on the wiki, only a mention on the charging station page.

Hello! This now means "If I stay less than 90 minutes, charging is free, otherwise there is a fee"... is that the case? In most of these, parking is free for 90 minutes, which is what the `parking:fee:conditional` was for.

Nice! Yeah, let me know if you need help with anything, I'm already thinking how best to use your host tag. For something like this, a mass change is acceptable, you're just correcting previous work but changing the key and keeping the value the same. But that's up to your workflow if you'd rather go 1 by 1. Also, you'd probably be interested in this chart, our work is starting to show on a greater scale: https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/north-america:us/tags/amenity=charging_station#chronology

Hey, for SC4B locations, how do we feel about brand=* being the brand on the post (in this case I believe the posts say "Fracis Energy") then operator=* can be Tesla?

Also worth noting on this one, you have not:brand=Tesla, which for this case may be right, but other places may be a holdover from when NSI differentiated between Superchargers and Destination chargers. And of course the ref:tesla=* vs website we talked about. As these get more popular, having a standard would be beneficial, maybe something we can work on for the Tesla Motors page on the wiki, have a brainstorming session.

source is AFDC

Direct from Tesla: https://x.com/TeslaCharging/status/2100325558601269280

Im not sure of the source of that. Can you please share which picture youre seeing, because this station is on the bottom floor not top.

I will note precisely because I keep an eye on the Tesla forums I knew this was in the structure on the bottom floor, not where SC.info placed the pin (in-garage stations are cool to me, I don't know why, but I remember them). Tesla's own site reinforces the in-garage placement. I do not see where you think this is on the other side of the lot, but welcome the source if you think it's placed wrong!

Yes certainly, I actually did this for the QA portion of the tool, just need to bring it over to the new placements portion. source tag in this case is the lead, so AFDC; imagery used will stay the same. I'll put that improvement in before I make the next edit (likely sometime tomorrow but depends on my day job). Thanks for the feedback!

It is available on Supercharge.info, as seen in the lead field, who has given us permission to use their data, and is linked on the ref. I keep up to date with the Tesla Motor Club forums too and saw progress photos of this location and could georeference from there.

Red E: https://locations.redecharge.com/ev-charging/michigan/madison-heights/12-and-stephenson-marathon

US Department of Energy: https://afdc.energy.gov/stations#/station/469416 (under lead on this changeset and marked as ref)

PlugShare (not compatible with OSM but available info): https://www.plugshare.com/location/2221542

AllThePlaces: https://alltheplaces-data.openaddresses.io/runs/2026-09-12-13-32-21/output/red_e.geojson

fixme was added precisely because the imagery was not new enough, so a survey is needed, or I will revisit it when imagery is new enough to expand to a way. Given the AFDC and Red E themselves I am sure it is at this location.

It certainly is... message me if you want a tour around slack / my ev thoughts, we can message or call there. We'll get you set up right.

Oh jeez, I had not wandered into that tags page in awhile, but you're right, syntax is good. OHM is a lot more accepting of "we are pretty sure it was here, around this time" since mapping all of history all you can do is guess sometimes (also why sources are more important there, so someone else can verify)... I've added a few charging stations, even considered an import of ones I have the start date for (havent done it but I have seemingly 5 different OSM projects going at once at all times) If you have historical charging stations, thats perfect for that project. We have the #openhistoricalmap channel on the OSM US Slack if you're interested in meeting (virtually or in person) folks.

Well, sometimes a POI does validly go from a known hours on a day to ambiguous so it's not an "error" per se, just not redundant since CFA goes to great lengths to advertise they are closed on Sunday.

Yeah, it would be a harder tag to co-opt BUT has the benefit of wider use so data consumers may actually look for it (I know CoMaps displays the branch=* key, I am sure others do too). Something like you're suggesting would work on an ATYL basis, we would just have to prove it's accuracy and usefullness over time. All of which should be in the talk pages so we are not the only ones talking about it, but I agree broadly with what you're saying.

LOL you stumbled upon the same nonsense I ran into yesterday, including the parking element just bravely marked "Tesla Supercharger". Even posted on the OSM US Slack #ev channel a screenshot with woozy face. I had it in my notes to go back to it because it seemed all wrong but at the time was looking for quick QA wins.

The main purpose of the grouping is there is a particularly difficult type of EV error people make when surveying where they place an amenity=charging_station on every man_made=charge_point (like saying every gas pump is a seperate gas station). On my QA board I try and convert those to charge points and add a charging station node with the combined values in the perceived center. This edit was a month ago, it's gotten better since.

Happy to have you take this one if you've been here and already doing substatial work on it, let me know if I can help at all. And yeah, agree someone maybe got "theres an outlet here!" confused with a charging station. It's hard enough getting the 300 kW DCFC in order, I am certainly not down to EVSE outlets yet!

(side note: I vividly remember my first EV I ever rode in, a really old chademo leaf, where the owner had to run an extension chord out from the hotel we were staying at to charge, so I can absolutely see someone dusting their hands and tagging that, however wrong it may be!)

Something like that could work, I was talking with Rob in the UK (he does most of the work over there) about possibly using branch=* for this, his concern was mainly around on-the-ground verifiability as some are in shopping plazas or other generic areas and we don't want to muddy the tagging (as I am sure you know that is easy to do in OSM EV world, straddling POI and Utility mapping conventions). I've been meaning to start up a topic on that on the wiki talk page osm.wiki/charging_station I will let you know when I do so you can get your thoughts in.

Hey thanks for the add! Charging_station=yes should be on the dealership if we suspect it’s inside a service bay or otherwise not findable. Since you found this one in the lot, it just needs the amenity tag :)

Should I include the full tag set on future dealership notes in case you find the exact location like here?

Hi, I am not sure of the syntax you are using for old name, but you may be interested in contributing the building to OpenHistoricalMap! There they are a lot more focused on dates and how things change over time, versus the more "today, on the ground" ethos of OSM.

Hi, `host` is not supposed to be used on any OSM element, it is a tag reserved for changesets. See host=* for the documentation. I have spoken with a few EV minded folks around the world, we agree we need a way to tag these but are still working out the details how best to do so, especially if the host is not immediately clear as anything different from operator (rare in Tesla world, not so rare outside Tesla or worldwide)