Hello muchichka_s,

After looking at this intersection some more, I agree. I did not originally notice that there was a priority road sign (Mapillary link below) showing that way/533165270 and way/533165269 are better left as Trunk roads. I have undone these classification changes.

Thanks,
Burricane

https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ouoKLPWbnfU08K8dgxm8TA

Hi Tómas Ingi,

I went ahead and added the refs back into the map, based on the Vegagerðin spreadsheets and what previously existed in the data. Let me know if you notice any problems with changes and we can come up with a solution. Thank you for the help, it’s much appreciated!

Burricane

Hello again Tómas Ingi!

I think it would be best to retain these refs until they are formally returned to the local municipality and removed from the addendum. That's how I interpret the statement on http://www.vegagerdin.is/vegakerfid/vegaskra/. Alternatively, the loc_ref tag may be suitable (ref=*#Key_variations) but I am not confident that is totally appropriate and I think it would be best if there was agreement from the greater Icelandic OSM Community before committing to that scheme. What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks!
Burricane

Hello Muchichka_s,

I was making edits based on policy from the Ukraine Highway OSM Wiki page; osm.wiki/Uk:Key:highway. It states on the OSM Wiki that regional roads with "O - ######" ref tags that connect large villages are to be classified as tertiary. However, after doing some more reading about the policy, I noticed I missed the important exception regarding raising or lowering the classification of roads, outside of the city, based on their importance. I now agree with what you're saying, and will change the classification of О-070110 to a secondary. Thank you for pointing this out!

Thanks,
Burricane

Hello Tómas Ingi!

I noticed that you have made some recent edits to ref networks and road classifications in Reykjavik. I’m curious about some of the changes, because they don’t seem to be supported by the most recent Vegaskrá from 2020: http://www.vegagerdin.is/vefur2.nsf/Files/Vegaskra_2020/$file/Vegaskra_2020.xlsx and http://www.vegagerdin.is/media/vegakerfid/Vidhengi_nr.xlsx. By my understanding, the Viðhengi lists highways that will be managed by local municipalities, but have not been formally returned to them, according to the description here: http://www.vegagerdin.is/vegakerfid/vegaskra/. To me, this disclaimer suggests the `ref` tags should remain in place. Do you have additional knowledge I might not be aware of to make these changes?

Thanks, I am curious to hear your thoughts!
Burricane

Correction: Source used was DigitalGlobe 2020-10-13

Hello Hjart,

Thank you for the information about using footways instead of pedestrian ways. I will make sure I use the appropriate classification in regards to situations like this next time.

Have a great day!
Burricane

Hello mavl,
Thank you for the response. I’ll keep this in mind.
Burricane

Hello mavl, thanks for letting me know. If I understand correctly, the highway classification of these highways (way/159678833, way/268666548, way/268629484) is based on the ’surface’ tag. Could you point me towards the OSM Wiki policy you’re referencing in your changeset source? I was basing my edits off of this policy page: osm.wiki/RU:Key:highway#Значения.

Correction: The place name is Ипатьевская Слобода.

Hello literan,

The consistency issue comes up because it is hard to verify traffic on segments. Traffic can change constantly even within hours due to a number of factors. We cannot assume only traffic from улица Вавилова is using this u-turn to get into the apartments. Any user coming from any direction can use this u-turn for multiple reasons. This is why most wikis state that slip roads or links should usually belong to the through highway they exit/enter (highway=primary_link) because it is easier to verify. I only see you using this traffic policy to change classifications in Moscow. The rest of the Russian editors and locations use the Russian wiki policy, which states that “exits at junctions with the same importance in the road network as [classification]” (osm.wiki/RU:Highway_classification#.D0.A1.D0.BF.D0.B5.D1.86.D0.B8.D0.B0.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D1.82.D0.B8.D0.BF.D1.8B).

If traffic is the policy you would like to continue using please bring this up with the Russian community. Having solidified policy on the wiki would also be a good step. New editors or even veteran editors working in Moscow for the first time will not understand or be able to verify traffic unless we solidify a policy on the wiki. Russia as a whole should follow the same editing guidelines and not change based on the city you’re in.

Thanks

Primary traffic going north is using this u-turn to also go south on primary traffic. Does this not qualify as a primary_link? Per the Good practice wiki: osm.wiki/Good_practice#Verifiability "OSM data should, as far as is reasonably possible, be verifiable. The principle applies to tags and other aspects of data representation, and essentially means another mapper should be able to come to the same place and collect the same data ("verify" the data you have entered). This principle excludes hypothetical or opinionated data like personal ratings.” These guidelines are written to ensure consistency in OSM data, and currently there are consistency issues in this area which have remained unaddressed for years: way/29278559, way/29278571, way/193363714, way/40161085, way/40161082.

Hi, you mention this link does not have primary traffic but its only connecting roads are primary. Can you please explain what you mean?

Hi Nyoma,

Thanks for sending me this resource. I also discovered a related resource regarding national refs, especially T refs: https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/55-2019-%D0%BF

I noticed there was an issue with relation/5912674 - the way tags are correct but relation needs to be updated. I will update this.

Thanks again

Hello nyoma!

I’ve noticed that you’ve recently made edits to the ref network within Ukraine by changing a number of T refs to O refs. May I ask what resource you are referencing for these changes? By my understanding, O-###### refs are local routes, while T-##-## refs are more significant in the nationwide scheme, and deserving of the secondary classification, according to osm.wiki/Uk:%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B0/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%84%D1%96%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%96%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B3. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks!

-Burricane

Thanks.

Hi literan, How is this a bad edit? What portion of the wiki are you referring to?

Thanks for the feedback, Hjart. I will start using the highway=footway tag. I will look back through my other changesets as well and change tags if necessary.

Hi 4004,

Thank you for the message and editing the oneway back. I will make sure to check the fixme tag going forward.

Thanks!