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150284180 about 1 year ago

I recall Stop-N-Go having air available on the east side of the building. Did you check there? They may not have it anymore; that was years ago.

157320638 about 1 year ago

I still strongly disagree with what you're doing with the direction suffixes, and I am continuing the conversation on the community forum:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/road-names-being-changed-to-official-names-only-used-in-government-databases/122517

157320638 about 1 year ago

I get what you're saying about trying to be consistent; and multiple sources aren't consistent with each other. I go by original neighborhood plat maps, street signs, and I spot-check one or two addresses with the USPS. Usually at least the USPS agrees with the street signs, which also agrees with what is on old paper printed maps, so that's what I generally go with. In the one case I found recently where the plat map and street signs agreed, but differed from what the post office uses, I put the post office name as an alt_name and I made a note about it.

Often the street signs are incorrect; the problem gets worse as you get further away from the metropolitan area. Rural town and county governments can't hire the best people for making street signs. There are plenty of signs in Wagoner County where the E and S are transposed or they use "Street" instead of "Avenue" on a north-south road in an area where it's clear they're still trying to follow the Tulsa numbering system. So I assume what I think they meant even if it's not what they said, and therefore I'm sure I've been guilty of incorrectly changing street names.

Is there anyone else who routinely edits the Tulsa area that you know of? Maybe we could try to have a meeting of all local OSM mappers about this and come to an agreement. I'd also like to have some agreement among all Tulsa-area mappers about what roads are primary, secondary, tertiary etc. because the existing tagging sometimes seems inconsistent.

157320638 about 1 year ago

It's good that you added houses and addresses, but I disagree with the addition of street direction suffixes in this changeset and others of your recent changesets.

For example, you've changed "South Yorktown Avenue" to "South Yorktown Avenue East," a name which is technically correct, but only used in county land records and other official government records systems.

I am a firm believer that the primary name field in OSM should reflect the name most commonly used. The street signs within Tulsa County do not generally use the street direction suffix, of course with the exception of the numbered east-west streets in north Tulsa. For north-south numbered roads, the name in common use is "East Avenue" or "West Avenue," not "Avenue East" or "Avenue West." These common names are reflected not only on the street signs within Tulsa County, but also in the preferred address of the USPS for mail delivery. For example, in this change set, you added a house with address "419 South Xanthus Avenue East." If you type this name into the post office tool at zip4.usps.com, it will change it to "419 S XANTHUS AVE," without the direction suffix.

You probably noticed I have been adding the direction suffix in rural areas outside of Tulsa County, but that's different because in those areas the suffixes often do appear on the street signs, and they are almost always used by the post office for mail delivery.

It would be fine with me if you put "South Yorktown Avenue East" in as an "official_name" and kept name as "South Yorktown Avenue," but I disagree with your decision to change the "name" key to a name that is only used in official government databases. I also disagree with your decision to use these names in addresses of individual buildings in areas where the post office prefers to use common names.

Do you find my arguments consistent and reasonable?

145997842 over 1 year ago

I have driven on those roads again since I made this edit. You are correct, they are signed with G and LL shields. They didn't used to be. Some of my information comes from how I remember things years ago, and they didn't used to be signed with shields at all. They are now, so should be labeled that way on the map.

However, I still think that it's incorrect to call them "CR." The ref should be just "G" and "LL" without the CR in front.

I believe I saw "CR" being used in Washington County recently, but other than that, I don't recall CR being used anywhere I've been in Oklahoma, and you've put it all over the place. I have a lot of notes from the last year about rural areas between Eufaula and Tulsa, but I haven't made most of those changes because I don't want to undo all of your work without checking with the wider openstreetmap community. At some point I'm going to bring this up on the forum and get community consensus before changing a lot of your edits, but one of the things I think is wrong is the use of "CR" all over rural Oklahoma. I really don't think "CR" belongs in area where nobody uses it to describe a road. It's much more common in other states, but not used much in Oklahoma.

146783902 over 1 year ago

You are right. I was adding all different businesses and I did not remember the correct tags for car wash. I fixed it now.

150372079 over 1 year ago

Looks like you already fixed this one for me. I went and fixed the other two that someone else had put in the other neighborhood.

150372079 over 1 year ago

All right. I'll fix it. I never read the wiki page for mini-roundabouts, until now. I was just going off the example of where someone else had put some into a neighborhood about 10 miles southeast of this location. I will fix those too.

109519082 over 3 years ago

Yeah, I learned that later on another edit when I used the iD editor and put "Google Street View" as a source, and it flagged that as an error.

107568830 over 3 years ago

Thanks, I just noticed your comment.