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120271273 4 months ago

Hi. Thanks for the comment.
I cannot recall that now. Maybe it was written somewhere, or I assessed visually, cannot remember. Please revise if you have better info.

169298575 5 months ago

Thanks for very detailed feedback, much appreciated. I can understand your frustration. I myself do trails for 30+ year, probably already across 30+ countries, from Alaska to New Zealand, and it never happens that you go to remote track with a map and end up without challenges. There are obvious reasons behind.

For this particular case. Seasonality matters a lot. Go there after snow February and you will see it. As mentioned, this area south-east of Ikvlivi was established as a protected area, so people no more go there to cut trees or hunt, while recreational travelers are not that many, so trail probably became abandoned over time. 10Y ago Kevliani-Ikvlivgorana was an ordinary maintained track road, but now there are 5m tall trees in the middle, right after the protection zone.

Notes are helpful, but tricky. I had a case when a experienced Indian mapper hiked a very popular offroad track in Kakheti and edited it, saying no more visible trail even for hiking, heavy bushes, not passable and etc. While other people have driven it again later. So there are subjectivity as well, how you perceive things. You argue on passability of Ikvlivi trail, but in practice you seem to pass it, there are open source tracks that others passes it, so it works :) ok, that's a joke, in return to you all swearing for me in different languages.

About rational: those are not just a lines. I map path/track to popular destinations, to suggest the short ways or the best ones to approach. When I find and map the historical landmarks, church in forest, viewpoint or something similar of public interest, then the obvious question will be how you get there. I don't believe, that leaving that part of the map blank is efficient. It should be an extra, valuable information for an average hiker. Herewith, I understand the downside, sometimes people might end up swearing at me when the pre-planned short trails end up not that smooth.

Regarding the switching over to `smoothness' for tracks - it is a good suggestion, but so far local off-road community is more used to `tracktype` classification, as well as it gives more straightforward visualization, so probably I will keep it.

Anyway, thanks for your comment. I will keep your concern in memo and try to address in the future. Feel free to edit the Ikvlivi trail as you have the most recent info.

Hope you enjoyed the Ikvlivi view. Suggest the other nearby mountains as well, when insects season goes away.

169298575 5 months ago

McKulkin, thanks for the comment and sorry to hear that trail did not work for you.
We do off-roading on those areas for many years and mark track roads, as well as short paths to return when things go not as planned.
If you did not find the path visible in August, it is totally fine for Georgia. You will easily do in February. Water spring was there and most local people should know it by name.

Also, in that particular area, they have established National Park and restrict cutting trees, so over time even track roads may become unpassable, as some of them already do.
So, thins change over time, and if you have new information, please update the map accordingly. That's how I see OSM.

144804518 almost 2 years ago

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144804518 almost 2 years ago

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135863479 over 2 years ago

Hi.
Why did you delete the names?
there is no such thing as "unofficial name" in OSM. Or how did you check what is official.
People in the community use those names and you disturb them by deleting those.
Please reverse all the names.

116525360 over 2 years ago

Please see the link:
https://www.easyzoom.com/imageaccess/89c4fb1777a9440b93f8ab942e519c10?fbclid=IwAR3YzmO8c13i-_j_XuJ35RsmvcHkKM-VUMrDqByFwuL5Ce3PNG7YAP0jrZk

135916246 over 2 years ago

What did you do and why?