Changeset: 58463254
180426 2108 edit tertiary roads Cous Taylor areas 2019
Closed by Robert Copithorne
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (13500 en) |
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source | Bing aerial imagery, Mapbox satellite, USGS Topo maps, local knowledge |
Discussion
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Comment from mboeringa
Hi Robert,
I noticed you added a lot forestry tracks west of Port Alberni with a road classification that seems disputable, like highway=secondary/tertiary.
This is undesirable. Even if they are build to high standard for resource extraction with heavy equipment, a track remains a track if it doesn't serve the purposes and functions as documented in the OSM wike for a highway=secondary/tertiary, that is, secondary roads and tertiary roads are supposed to connect population centres. Dead end forestry tracks, even when build to a standard that might function as a highway=secondary/tertiary in developing countries where they DO connect population centres, should still be tagged as tracks.
I am actually slightly suprised you added it like this, as I saw you confirming a more sensible tagging scheme by Jack the Ripper (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Jack%20the%20Ripper/diary/41953), that does conform to the more generally accepted road classification standards in OSM and their usage, yet you haven't implemented it here.
Adding extra notes in tags like "comments" or classifying the roads as "service=resource extraction" isn't helpful. What are data consumers supposed to do? Convert all roads tagged with "service=resource extraction" to tracks? This would be really undesirable, just imagine everybody started tagging roads as highway=secondary/tertiary and adding (multiple) secondary imaginary tags just to say: "Sorry, this isn't actually a true secondary/tertiary road, I just tagged it like that for my own purposes, and now you have to deal with it"Marco
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Comment from Viajero Perdido
It's debatable. There's been a recent discussion on the subject here: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=62581
In Alberta, I map most forestry roads as unclassified, with "significant" roads (longer distance, many tributaries) as tertiary, and that seems both logical and wiki-compatible.
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Comment from mboeringa
Viajero, OK, yes I see this was already discussed.
However, while I can understand a scheme based on tertiary and unclassified, most of the roads tagged here are secondary and tertiary, even the dead end roads leading to nowhere (no buildings / caravans / huts visible in the detailed imagery available), so I do think these would need to be downgraded. Maybe its ongoing work, because I see some similar tracks as unclassified as well.
All in all, I think I lean more to Andrew_Finn's tagging suggestions in the link you provided (https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=702664#p702664), where track is still a significant tag for most of these roads.
I do also wonder why especially tracktype=x tagging has not been more universally adopted by the Canadian community (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype). This baffles me. Especially in a country with so many unpaved roads and tracks that may serve functions beyond forestry access, adding tracktype to all unpaved roads/tracks would seem logical to give better information about the solidity and quality of the road from a driving perspective.
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Comment from Viajero Perdido
I rarely do tracktype myself because it can be hard to discern correctly if you're working from imagery, and it really slows down mapping. But maybe I should try...
Sorry, off-topic for this changeset. If there's more discussion, maybe we can move it to the forum? Cheers.
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