Changeset: 35989077
C road ref to official_ref
Closed by Pink Duck
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (9060 en_GB) |
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note | For categorisation of public/map/SatNav vs council admin use |
Discussion
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Comment from Robert Whittaker
This looks rather like an automated edit. Was it discussed beforehand?
Have you changed any source:ref tags present at the same time as the ref=* keys were changed? Have you also changed ref=U* tags on other highways types (including tracks) to match the new tagging?
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Comment from Pink Duck
Yes, an automated edit, but I was the user that set 99.5% of those tags originally. I left the source:ref tag as is, since the refs are unchanged. I messaged you about the U-refs, allowed a week for response, then matched them to the rest. It does state in the wiki that non-signed refs shouldn't use the ref key.
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Comment from Robert Whittaker
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32626353 now has an official_ref=* and no ref=* tag, so surely the source:ref=* tag should be changed to source:official_ref=*.
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Comment from Pink Duck
Yes, agreed - actioned in changeset 36206221.
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Comment from DaveF
Hi
There was a discussion in 2015: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017414.html about this. Official_ref was felt to be too generic. There could be more than one 'official' ref from more than one authority. Highway_authority_ref was considered a good solution. I've been gradually (very) updating refs & official_refs to this tag. Once that's finished the misspelt, & random tag (designation etc) can be updated. It would b good to get all refs in the same tag.
Do you use the official_ref data for any means? If so would it be much work to change any software to accept the changes? -
Comment from Robert Whittaker
I'd agree that official_ref=* isn't really specific enough. FWIW I've been using the shorter highway_ref=* for such official Road numbers where I've needed to add them (principally for what OS marks as ORPAs, once the official status as an unclassified highway has been confirmed via the List of Streets). The extra letters in highway_authority_ref don't seem to add much to me.
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Comment from DaveF
You make a fair point. However, for now, I'd like to continue with highway_authority_ref. Once unified it can be discussed on the forum. If it's decided another option is better, amending just one tag is so much easier. For clarity I'm amending 'tertiary' roads with a C* ref. atm. I'll be checking other road classifications after.
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Comment from Pink Duck
The re-use of "highway" in an alternative reference key name, when there's already a highway main key, seems a bit excess to me. These references after all are mostly issued and used by the main official provider, be that a transport authority or street name and numbering department of a city/county council. If there's more than one then the usual approach of ":provider" suffix would do. I'm not sure why the alternate name needs to be more precise, the valuable information is the identifier value itself. Of note, Nominatim doesn't index any of these key names (and said they wouldn't when asked), so search will likely seek keys ending in '_ref' I imagine.
- Abbey Road (43395774), v13
- Abbey Road (43395703), v19
- Abbey Road (200950579), v4
- Acle Road (152345201), v9
- Acle Road (181134645), v8
- Acle Road (33327048), v11
- Acle Road (256188268), v5
- Acle Road (55579179), v14
- Acle Road (152338345), v12
- Acle Road (28528243), v17
- Admirals Drive (52527643), v12
- Admirals Drive (52527644), v13
- Admirals Drive (52527648), v8
- Admirals Drive (52527647), v9
- Admiralty Road (29992298), v22
- Admiralty Road (201854190), v6
- Agricultural Hall Plain (54690664), v11
- Agricultural Hall Plain (285452850), v5
- Agricultural Hall Plain (37073051), v15
- Airfield Road (179460329), v10
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