Thank you for sharing, love to see this!

The board grouped some countries to preserve anonymity where individual countries fell under a threshold of response count.

Thanks for the explanation @mmd. I learned from the site maintainers that contributors to the site codebase should touch only the English translation, with Translatewiki contributors picking up the other supported languages:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/2740

Looks great!

This is great, Øukasz! The hot-linked images don’t show in my browser (Mac Safari) so I mirrored them here in case you’d like to edit:

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Thanks mmd! This explains an issue that Ian was reporting. Seems like negative IDs are too small and big IDs are too big. We’ll dig in a little, perhaps maintainers of some of these tools would be receptive to uint64’s.

Hi dieterdreist, we’ve posted an update to Daylight in https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/migurski/diary/394109 where we commit to exposing the specific OSM tags considered for distribution in Daylight. For Facebook’s use, we’re required to meet certain legal standards in jurisdictions around the world so we don’t use OSM boundary definitions.

We’ve published an update to Daylight, more information in this diary entry.

Allan, thanks for starting your time on the board with this sustained effort to reach distant corners of the community. It’s inspiring to see you take your chairmanship responsibility so seriously and to gather so much input beyond just the visible contributions.

This point about obstacles to joining a “do-o-cracy” is especially significant and I’d love to have seen it emerge as a more widely-shared concern:

Respondents in Africa and Asia underscored the cost of volunteering, noting that in lower-income countries the cost of Internet access and need to work more than one job to support a family constrains time devoted to volunteer mapping. This is an obstacle to geographic diversity.

I wanted to summarize some questions and responses from other channels here.

• #daylightdistro_feedback channel on OSMUS Slack
• Responses to post on Talk@

Is Facebook planning to create new planet files like this frequently for internal use?

We are unsure yet about the public release schedule we want to commit to because a lot of it depends on community feedback.

Is Facebook fixing data errors on OSM?

We do correct OSM upstream for the errors that we find. When our human review process catches a map error, we do two things:

1. Hold it back from release to our display maps
2. Fix the error upstream in OSM.org

What’s the breakdown of the 8GB size difference between Daylight planet and OSM planet?

Probably the most significant source of that difference is that we completely ignore & exclude tags that aren’t relevant for our display map needs.

So DLD is a sort of friendly fork for FB and others to ‘read’ from and where ‘writing’ is selectively pulling from upstream?

Not a fork. But friendly, yes. We’ve observed that many companies using OSM are uneasy about the potential for bad edits. Oversight from the community fixes most issues in time, where Daylight can pick up just the good fix and not the original error.

Will information about rejected changes be released to the community?

We’re discussing internally how we might go about doing this.

Is there any plan to publish sub-region data?

Not at this time, but the PBF release format makes Daylight compatible with major OSM tools that can be used to generate regional extracts.

That’s a great suggestion Mikel. I’ll try to learn more about what we’ve done and planned with OSMCha so far.

Hi Samith, I don’t know the answer to your question but here’s a group who’s done this before: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Building_Height_Import

Hi Bill! We haven’t done any routing-specific checks for this distro. Could you say more about what you’re looking for?

Thanks for your feedback, Luc! For the time being, the data is being provided “as-is” since it’s a snapshot of a hybrid human/machine process with a lot of individual judgement calls. When we see that there’s demand for Daylight we may decide to release it on a regular basis and further open up its process.

I’ve followed up on this and a few other talks from Matt Broberg, thanks for sharing. They’re excellent. He made some interesting scale comparisons from his IRC talk:

Thanks Tom. I’m still picking at Vagrant/Virtualbox to see if I can figure anything out there but the logfiles aren’t yielding anything I recognize as a clue.

Hey @scruss, that’s true. I believe Heather is recommending a paid community manager for OSM as well.

Heather, thank you for posting this. I appreciate your sustained push for better representation is the OSM community, and I agree that active community management is valuable. It would be interesting to migrate selected official communications away from un-moderatable channels. For example, legal-talk@ and osmf-talk@ could be moved to forum.openstreetmap.org topics where active moderation (including deletion of messages) is technically possible. For a comparable illustration, here’s a thread discussing Metafilter’s approach to moderation:

In our reading, moderators engage with egregiously offensive behaviour (e.g., name-calling, personal derails, trolling, *-isms) by deleting the respective comments. In other cases, they remind members within threads of best practices (e.g., put in NSFW links when appropriate) and site guidelines (e.g., no rehashing of previously discussed topics) in a preventative mode.

Moderators also engage with the community in more pro-active ways. They shape the discussions by bringing in their individual perspectives and they care. They point out that people should look for help if needed and where to find it, they show solidarity and they appreciate content posted by others.

…

We chose to look at MetaFilter because the quality of discourse here has been applauded when it comes to people discussing controversial topics on the internet and the moderators appear to be a core reason for the constructive conversations on the site.

Hi Baloo, I appreciate your comment here.

You raise an excellent point, which ultimately comes down to trust and predictability: are commercial interests in opposition to those of OpenStreetMap? I wouldn’t be doing any of this if I didn’t think the two were basically aligned behind the creation and distribution of free geographic data for the world for people to use in creative, productive, or unexpected ways.

Hey Paul, thanks for posting. Are you asking because you’re curious, or because you’re trying to communicate to me that permission from the board is required for doing board-related work on paid time? I have permission and support from my employer to participate in the board, and I intend to follow any conflict of interest rules that apply.