Changeset: 116933156
Hiding relations that describes administrative boundaries in Israel as "disputed"
Closed by OrDal
Tags
build | 2020_12_29 |
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created_by | Potlatch |
os | Windows 10 |
version | 3.0 |
Discussion
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Comment from Jeff Underwood
Hello OrDal,
These relations mark lines of contention that exist in the real world. The intent is not to make judgement on the validity of any particular claim, dispute, or reference line, only to accurately document them. Additionally, these relations will not affect anything as far as rendering goes unless a data consumer actively builds support for them.
I'm happy to chat about these with you further as I understand these can be very sensitive, in the meantime I'm going to restore them though.
-Jeff
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Comment from OrDal
Dear Jeff,
First, I don't think OSM is the place for this information. This should be somewhere else (Wikipedia?).
Also, the information you added is not accurate - for example:
1. The Palestinian Authority has never declared desirable border lines (and generaly, their desire is to establish an arab state over all the Israeli territories). Unfortunately, many people in the western world are unaware of this fact and continue to believe in the 1967-borders-tale that has no basis.
2. Regarding the border between Israel and Syria - currenty, it is not possible for Syria to regain the territories that Israel occupied in 1967 and there is no point in continuing to state that the Golan is occupied Syrian territory.
3. The boundaries of the districts in Israel (admin_level=4) are not disputed. Although there are countries that do not recognize the existence of Israel, they do not dispute with the administrative division within Israel.
Regards, Or -
Comment from Jeff Underwood
Hello OrDal,
I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
1. In some cases, the dispute names may be somewhat imprecise and are there to just help clarify what they represent. Some borders or claims are recognized by other countries while the “claimant” themselves has undefined or broader claims themselves.
2. Border disputes are almost always cases such as this. Although some are active conflict zones, the majority are simply stated disagreements over a territory. In this case, Syria still claims the territory and many countries of the world still recognize it as occupied territory. The relation is not adding legitimacy to the claim, instead, trying to reflect the complex reality of the world.
3. These sorts of relations are admittedly a little weird looking. In this case, it is Palestine not acknowledging the districts of Israel. Instead, the relation marks them as admin_level=8 for Palestine specifically to lower their prominence. The other countries are defined explicitly as still having admin_level=4 just for completeness.User nvk has two great diaries detailing this work that you may find interesting here
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/nvk/diary/390496Wikipedia documents these disputes of course, but it is not a geographic database. OpenStreetMap is increasingly the primary datasource for the world’s maps and having complete administrative data is a pretty important part of that. “On the ground” is a good policy for mapping country borders, but the laws and expectations of various countries make this not a complete solution for downstream users. Dispute relations can fill in this gap while being unobtrusive and invisible to the majority of users.
Our main source for mapping these is the free datasource Natural Earth which you can peruse here if you are interested. It is a collaborative effort and the disputes are still pretty new so if you see issues or mistakes you can report them to the GitHub for corrections. NE is a low resolution datasource that is meant for big picture maps, while this mapping project helps to create OSM data that can take over for high resolution maps.
-Jeff
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