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176183288 about 6 hours ago

imo/afaik `area:highway` doesn't feel useful

176178994 about 15 hours ago

Improved with changeset/176203026

176178994 about 15 hours ago

I scrolled to the "ground floor" table and then thought there's nothing more...

166534222 about 15 hours ago

See note note/5099138 ;

Now that Route 6 is open (at least for this area), what is the status of those seemingly duplicate sliproads? Probably `was:highway`=* rather than `highway=construction`?

176178994 about 23 hours ago

Agreed in principle, but it seems "multi-level mapping" is undocumented in the OSM wiki, and I shall remain defensive on this.

176173345 about 23 hours ago

It turns out, vehicles can do a (special) u-turn to turn towards the Prince Edward Road East bridge. afaik there are basically no intersections in HK where a non-dedicated u-turn is required to get to a destination.

Earlier I did not know/notice this, and put a note in this area ("Dakota Drive should not get =secondary"). Still, it can't possibly be "highway=secondary", which causes confusion; the road does not "continue" like this. If it were "=secondary_link" it would be much clearer.

175885484 8 days ago

Correct observation on layering. Two points:

- "free-hanging" layers allow for convenient tagging, touch wood we want to map everything from the ground floor up till 17/F, then we can just do e.g. "layer=1" because everything at 17/F is already "layer=17" and doesn't interfere our work
- iD editor; it currently cannot resolve intersection warnings without "level+layer", or maybe I am misunderstanding something

175836968 8 days ago

You are correct. "Traditional methods" aka GPS observation doesn't work here.

These are all reasonable deductions on top of "good enough" existing data, sometimes combined with vague irl experiences (in case I did travel along the segments); techniques:

- station/platform size sanity check (use iD editor measurement feature; combine with irl vibes "it can't be this small/large")
- railway basic requirements (curves are almost always circular arcs of some form to not stretch/compress axles)
- railway speed requirements (medium speed rail does not permit sudden curves)
- tunnels avoid buildings (boring would otherwise intersect building foundations, esp tall buildings + shallow tunnels, and we don't want that)
- buildings avoid tunnels (quite obvious; "railway protection" etc, foundations must be shallow to not intersect tunnels)

But on top of that, when in doubt, use a bit of art sense. That's why it's usually called "calibrate/beautify", in case you noticed.

175762046 8 days ago

Good point; I notice rural addressing can be confusing when they do "Number XX, Village".

Improved via changeset/175882185

175791540 10 days ago

Re 1, in case you missed it, from the same quoted discussion:

> that would be for another changeset and for separate survey/lookup work.

Re 2: I will not act until there is an obvious and uncontested replacement.

175791540 10 days ago

Re 1, also see discussion of changeset/174721133

Re 2, it seems we do not have clear consensus of what values to use.

175764127 10 days ago

Improved with changeset/175799549

175764127 10 days ago

PS maybe bookmark eg https://osmlab.github.io/osm-deep-history/ for future convenience

175764127 10 days ago

I vaguely remember in the past the iD editor had "Vehicles" instead of "Motor vehicles" with the intent to describe "car" access, which would bump the `vehicle` tag.

But still, to strictly follow definitions, I can further edit it to be `vehicle=no`.

175768444 11 days ago

The "contraflow bus lane" can be simplified as "this road will only lead into the bus terminus". I view it as an extension of the bus terminus.

Normally the "this is bus terminus, do not enter" signage is placed at the proper entrance, but for convenience and reminder purposes, it's placed earlier.

It's like you wouldn't need a "no left-turn" OSM restriction when the left side is oneway coming out.

Ideally routers should learn to recognize "impossible dead ends" and exclude them from general navigation.

I prefer things to be simple.

175762046 11 days ago

No idea, but at least should not be in the name field. I do not specialize in addressing.

175764127 11 days ago

`motor_vehicle=no` was added in the past, not me.

Old style is `vehicle`=*, new style is `motor_vehicle`=*. This is mostly iD editor changes, but also consider the fact that "vehicle" and "motor vehicle" in practice are largely equivalent (at least in HK).

175649030 11 days ago

Feel free to improve this if have more info.

175649030 11 days ago

I couldn't determine/notice what this is irl, but then I saw this from aerial imagery.