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144269805 about 2 years ago

Then there is this: way/462881584

Yeah, I can see that the eastern part of this (from the crossroad about the middle of the way) is not track. I must have by mistake editied the whole way before splitting it. I will fix that.

144269805 about 2 years ago

Like this: way/462881463#map=19/-36.08633/-70.90279 - I think ti is a track. I walked it, if I remember correctly and I see it both on Bing (where it is obscured by trees) and much better on Google earth. Plus at least the part (from the police station nearby) to this building is a track: way/1184893051

Is that one of the reverts?

144269805 about 2 years ago

It is a second time, not third time. First time was around Planchon and as I said, that was a mistake, probably caused by inadvertedly pressing CTRL+SHIT+V or something like that.

When I wrote "track= dirt road", the "road" part is crucial. Indeed, track needs to be passable by cars, I know that. So it is not about surface, it is about the width, mainly. I know this because I do not like to walk on ways that can be used with cars so indeed this distinction is quite crucial for me.

Yes, I did two mistakes, one around Planchon was inadvert, the one with unclassified was my negligence. The other changes to tracks, unless it was something like Planochon again, were honest assessment of satelites.

144269805 about 2 years ago

Felipe,
my main goal is to improve the maps along the GPT (I assume you know what that is). These were imported into OSM some years ago and are not always necessarily physical parts, also the mapping keeps evolving as more and more people walk it. It was imported into OSM as paths so especially with paths under relation "GPT", there is a high chance they are misclassified. That is why I might be too liberal with these, but I do survey them carefully, when not sure comparing different satelites and also Google Earth.

I am aware of the distinction between track and path (it is actually quite crucial for me). Around Planchon, it was clearly a mistake, thanks for notifying me about it previously. Around this changeset, I am curious where you think I got it wrong. Where I was changing things to track, I either walked it (and met cars there) or I was quite confident there is a track clearly visible on satelite. Basically I have some GPX tracks and lot of notes with GPS coordinates about things that were wrong/missing along the route. Some streams I noted needed to be added in this area were added in the meantime - thank you for that! When adding these, when I notice something that looks to me missing/wrong, I try to add it correct it.

How exactly does joining the community works? I am not sure how that would work in practice? I can ask when I am unsure about something, sure (but where?).

For the unclassified tag, that was a mistake, sorry. I refer to the wiki all the time, actually, this time I did not but it is an exception and I will be more diligent about it.

144269805 about 2 years ago

Which is the unclassified one? I cannot find it in this changeset. I remember doing that change and yes, indeed, that should be reversed. It was late and I did not look up the tag properly, sorry. In my mind track=dirt road and I parsed unclassified as "fixme". We do not have these in my country I think. As for the paths>tracks, some of them I walked (so i know there are a lot of misclassifications of routes, I think it mainly comes from all/most GPT trails were imported as paths back in the day), some of them I did just according to satellite, but I am quite confident in those maybe with the exception of this one: osm.org/edit?editor=id&way=462881429#map=18/-36.49390/-71.18605 but it still looks more like a track to me.

Which are the tracks that you think are not tracks?

144044825 about 2 years ago

I see. In that case the larger body can be simply deleted, I guess (though I still find value in having both, but that is an outsider perspective).

144044825 about 2 years ago

Well, I was following the wiki, as I said earlier - that seems to be the recommended way to map the minimum and maximum level of a dam. But of course you can change the name of the tag.

144044825 about 2 years ago

I meant this feature: relation/8527067

but now I see they use the tag "ref" and not "name" so I changed that.

The two lakes connected by that bridge definitely can be one body fo water, when I was there they were that, connected by that narrow strip of water. I think on the satelite it seems the connection is dry but I am not entirely sure.

144044825 about 2 years ago

I was following the suggestion here: water=reservoir#Mapping_partial_intermittency

to me it sounds like a good system, that way when searching for example, one is not confused by two seemingly identical entries.

144044825 about 2 years ago

my number is +420602320084 and I have telegram there, not sure how to contact you from my side:-).

However, I am not really adding many paths. I am mainly adding water bodies and then doing little changes here and there based on my notes when I walked there last southern-hemisphere summer (This particular one around the volcano I walked and it is non-existent. It was mapped in a completely crazy and hazardous way. I changed it to where we walked (roughly) based on satelite and my memory and a gps trace, but I hand-drew the path. I also set the visibility to none to indicate that there is no actual trail.

144044825 about 2 years ago

This changeset changeset/144048779#map=15/-35.1924/-70.5647
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Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/144044825

144044825 about 2 years ago

Ok, I fixed it now, did you see any other instances but the paths around Planchon (the volcano)? I think the presets in josm and late hour must have fooled me, sorry.
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Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/144044825

144044825 about 2 years ago

Oh, yeah, no tracks, sorry, must have been hallucinating, the paths around Planchon are paths (and imaginary as well in places). I will fix that.
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Published using OSMCha: https://osmcha.org/changesets/144044825

128307304 almost 3 years ago

Yeah, the PDF is old, I think the situation has been like this for several years, it is a pity, these trails are beautiful (but as I said, I walked this trail and I was not alone that day).

128307304 almost 3 years ago

Looking again, it is unfortunatelly correct as reality goes. Though if you remove the access tag, I will not revert it - it is true that it is annoying that one cannot route through it and the regulation is very lightly enforced.

128307304 almost 3 years ago

Even though now thinking - access no is the west part of it. I will check from a desktop, wait a few hours, please.

128307304 almost 3 years ago

Hello, it is officially closed - you are in legal theory not supposed to be there. That is how I inderstand acces=no. In practise nothing will happen if you use it as long as you do not go all the way to the official route up (there is usually somobody watching it during opening times, but they cannot see more then 100 m) on the rim (just divert before they join and go to the rim crosscountry more on the west side).

121645350 over 3 years ago

opraveno.

121645350 over 3 years ago

Dobrá, změnil jsem to zpět na path (a přidal jednu změnu z tracku na path, která mi předtím unikla).

121645350 over 3 years ago

Hlavním mým cílem bylo změnit tam track na něco, co indikuje, že po daných cestách auto neprojede. Pokud je na Slovensku nebo i obecně zvykem to značit spíš jako highway=path, klidně to tak může být, já byl toho názoru, že to pro kola spíš moc není [nevím jak je to v NP s regulacemi), ale moc na kole terénem nejezdím, tak jsem to možná zhodnotil špatně. Pokud vím, je ohledně toho trochu nejasnost, jak přesně mají být pěšiny značeny: osm.wiki/Path_controversy