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175410402 14 days ago

Yes, that's how sentences work, you can say one thing and then qualify it with another. "It is sunny today but there will be rain around 2pm."

Facetiousness aside, a typical case is https://cycle.travel/map?from=&to=&fromLL=51.500175,-0.241000&toLL=51.498920,-0.242396 where the sane route is pushing along a short stretch of highway=footway to avoid a 400m detour. c.t uses a pedestrian symbol in this case to indicate that the user should push (and in the app will give distinct turn-by-turn directions etc.).

Contrast with https://cycle.travel/map?from=&to=&fromLL=51.748672,-1.256575&toLL=51.751087,-1.248749, where you can't even drag the route onto the path through Christ Church Meadows, because pushing a bike is forbidden there.

This is why it is important to differentiate between "you can push a bicycle here" (bicycle=dismount) and "you cannot push a bicycle here" (bicycle=no).

175410402 17 days ago

Yep, hence "absent permission of the landowner". A public footpath doesn't confer a right of way for cycling or pushing a bike. But a landowner is entirely within their rights to grant permissive usage, whether explicitly or simply through tolerance. We have a section of NCN near us which is officially a public footpath, for example, but the landowner has given permission.

175410402 17 days ago

Hello from a cycle router author.

No cycle router will send cyclists along highway=footway by choice, with or without access tag. Some may, however, potentially incorporate a highway=footway into a route, with a clear direction to get off and push, if it saves a long or dangerous diversion otherwise.

bicycle=no is, however, not likely to be the right tag on (for example) way/206286744. If you want to add an access tag, then the least ambiguous one would be bicycle=dismount. bicycle=no is best used for the situation where bicycles are forbidden _whether pushed or ridden_. This is the default situation on public footpaths (absent permission of the landowner, because a bicycle is not a "usual accompaniment"), as well as many permissive footpaths such as through the grounds of Oxbridge colleges.

161323492 about 2 months ago

Hi - could you say why you removed the note tags from way/319586047 in this changeset?

165813443 3 months ago

Hi - the long-standing convention in OSM, dating back to 2011, is that the National Byway is network=rcn. This is due to its Regional Route-like character; the fact it's not truly a national network but just covers some regions of the UK; and for differentiation from the (Sustrans/WWCT) National Cycle Network. I've retagged the superroute relation accordingly.

(writing as someone who has a spare National Byway sign above their desk ;) )

167990860 6 months ago

Indeed - "my" route (NCN 442, which I designed and largely implemented) has two missing sections which will be fixed one day...

NCN 43 is intended to go via roughly Tirabad and Trecastle to join the two sections, I think. But I'd be pleasantly surprised if that happens any time in the next 10 years!

158667605 12 months ago

Great - thank you for the survey! I think mapping it as a separate link route is fine for now.

I'm 99% sure that it's a "future route" rather than a "meant to be removed route" though. Sustrans' direction of travel is very much towards traffic-free paths rather than on-road routes, and this is a (really quite good) traffic-free path whereas the on-road route is pretty mediocre in places - e.g. the A4047 section. Improving NCN 46 seems to have been a theme throughout the Heads of the Valleys road scheme - e.g west of Cefn Coed where there had been a gap in the route for ages.

If you take a look at the Sustrans planned works map (https://www.sustrans.org.uk/national-cycle-network/our-plans-to-improve-the-national-cycle-network/) then the northerly route is shown as "New Route Section - Traffic free" and has advanced to "Stage 3 - Detailed Planning" (coloured in purple).

The garage exit is weird though and nor is it clear how the route will link to the Clydach Valley path - I wonder if there might end up being a signalised crossing across King Street by the Bridgend Inn.

158667605 about 1 year ago

Excellent, will be interested to see what you find out. Legalities aside I wouldn't trust OS maps on the NCN - OSM is famously more accurate than Sustrans' own data as to where the NCN is actually signposted ;)

158667605 about 1 year ago

That's weird - yes, certainly there was signage at that roundabout and continuing east, but also further along: I took a couple of photos of the signage east of Garnlydan. https://imgur.com/a/czocdcI

I do remember it being missing on the path through the residential area at Rassau and on the entrance to the garage near the Brynmawr bridges/roundabout.

I don't think it's a leftover sign - quite the opposite: this is the (expensive!) new route built as part of the A465 works which hasn't been fully signed yet!