Hi trigpoint.

In England the speed limit laws (Road Traffic Act) apply to all roads that the general public have at least "Tolerated Access" to.

For privately owned driveways and footways leading to a property, it is considered the public have "tolerated access" to reach the front door. This won't be the case if there is a locked gate, a sign specifically revoking access. Just stating "Private Road" is not enough.

But, UK speed limits mostly require signage to enforce, so hard to enforce on many Private Roads.

Hi lgladdy,

Just randomly seen this changeset discussion while looking at a changeset discussion webpage

https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussions?c=United%20Kingdom#5/55.058/-0.119

My instinct is that the Elizabeth Parade "footway" to the east, is way that allows access for bicycles (pedal cycles).

OSM tag, highway=footway, is considered by default to mean bicycle=no . I suspect this is not the case here.

Hi ReubenBen,

You've mapped and tagged some of the grass areas as natural=grassland. That tag is for natural areas. The grass in Devon Cliffs is nearly all amenity grass, or mown grass. The tag should be landuse=grass.

Thanks,
JassKurn

Hi,

You moved an address node (6635151169) about 500m to the west into a field. Assuming it was just a mistake. These things happen.

I moved it back to the correct location in changeset
changeset/155113178

Hi,

You've added a peak and named it Rushford Tower.
node/12093032270

There is no peak, hill, etc at that location named Rushford Tower. A spot height could be added but it would be much further to the north. Can't find any source for a spot height?

The name visible on some maps refers to the building at that location. A Victorian "folly". Recent OS Maps seem to no longer show the building but only the name. I know about it, and surprised hasn't been added. I'm just going to add it after finishing this post.

Jass

Hi medlineconsultancylimited,

The tagging you used was in line with the tagging we use in OpenStreetMap, and therefore wouldn't have been recognised by data users & map makers.

I've fixed the tagging in changeset - 154816735

I've reverted your changeset and I've fixed the tagging in changeset - 154816735

Hi Mueschel,

In this changeset you delete a node that contained useful "information". The tagging was completely wrong, but the tagging not meet my definition of "spam". I believe the correct action would have been to fix the tagging, and inform the original editor of their blunder.

Why did you consider it "spam", and why did you decide not to fix the tagging and simply delete the node and data?

Hi,

You've corrected a previous an obvious blunder made when tagging this road. The road type was wrong, and access was wrong.

Open data shows it's the B4574

Some incorrect access info has been left behind. Foot & bicycle are left as permissive on public road. Made a change to remove fix and remove unnecessary tagging in changeset/154777539

Hi,

This type of problem was recently discussed on the UK section of the OSM Community Forum. I've linked to the post I made because it has a few links. The discussion went off-topic.

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/marking-a-prow-as-a-bad-idea/113487/6

A public right of way is a "right" not a physical highway. If there is no "way" for the PRoW to be followed, then I'd suggest the PRoW tagging should still be added but to a way tagged with highway=no.

Two personal examples, which I've just updated.

First is PRoW Bridleway route in Dartmoor that is now within the expanding Foxtor Mire. Is not used and obviously "Hazardous" to cross this bog. Tagged.

highway=no
hazard=wetland
designation=public_bridleway
horse:physical=no
foot:physical=no
bicycle:physical=no
prow_ref=Dartmoor Forest Bridleway 34
smoothness=impassable
source:prow_ref=devon_county_council_prow_gis_data
surface=bog
trail_visibility=no

Second, example is bridleway that can not be used because a large section is obstructed by impenetrable gorse, heather, bracken. Hazard becomes "obstacle". Tagged.

highway=no
obstacle=vegetation
designation=public_bridleway
horse:physical=no
foot:physical=no
bicycle:physical=no
prow_ref=Manaton Bridleway 8
source:prow_ref=devon_county_council_prow_gis_data
trail_visibility=no

Alwyn,

From your response it appears that you have misunderstood the issue I am raising.

OpenStreetMap the database you are adding data to is for mapping existing map data. Data that is "on the ground" and can be verified by others. Also, the data in OpenStreetMap is available with an odbl licence, and any data entered must be able to comply with that licence.

Therefore we MUST NOT enter data of the type you have. That is a personal route. It does not matter if you delete it later. The data is being constantly accessed by end users who will assume the route you created officially exists. Your route, for example, could end up being printed on a map outside a railway station.

You've also just stated you use Street Imagery in your mapping. You provided date details for imagery. The locations and dates suggest it is Google StreetView Imagery. OpenStreetMap can not use any data from Google Maps. The terms and conditions of use of Google Maps specifically ban this action.

I personally can not follow this up for a few days. I think there are a few problems that need to be dealt with by the Data Working Group. And I am going to send this group an email asking for their input.

If you wish to create, manage, save your own route, I can strongly recommend looking at apps (websites) such which use OpenStreetMap data. eg
- Komoot
- Outdoor Active
- OsmAnd
- OS Maps (Explore)

Jass

Sorry, I forgot to mention that in another changeset, you added road names to adjacent "pavement" cycle tracks. Nationally, and Regionally, cycle tracks of this type are not given the name of the road.

Hi Alwyn

We spoke a while back about you adding a route that was not official or "on the ground".

I've noticed that today you've created a hiking route named "LGa10 Exeter to Ottery Saint Mary", then created LGa 11 as part of this changeset.

I fairly good knowledge of walking & hiking routes in this area and have never heard of this route, and can find no mention of it online..

Can you provide me a source for the hiking relations your adding?

Hi WillFR130

Tagging is difficult, especially in the UK, where we assume the use of English words for tags, mean what they state.

Generally it good advice to map using the wiki.

In the UK farmland is generally split into two types, Arable Farming and Pastoral Farming. Unfortunately during the evolution of OSM we ended with (arguably) confusing tags. I believe because for much of the world grazing animals roam across open areas, and not the dense network of fields found in NorthWest Europe.

Arable Farming land is mapped as..
landuse=farmland
crop=(type)

Pastoral Farming land is mapped as..
landuse=meadow
meadow=pasture

Your fields are used for Pastoral Farming, and should be mapped as such. It's common in the UK for Pastoral Farmers to cut the grass (for silage etc) a few times during the summer. But it should still fall under Pastoral Farming.

So tag the fields as
landuse=meadow
meadow=pasture

Have a look at the following three wiki pages.

landuse=farmyard?uselang=en-GB

landuse=farmland

landuse=meadow

It can be useful to also add the hedges, but be careful to make sure they are broken up and don't create an area.

Also helpful on farm to map track and service roads, and add the access key if known.
eg access=private.
Problem with with walkers using maps being routed along private tracks missing access rules.

Jass Kurn

Hi rskedgell,

I think it is wrong to make the changes you did based on the data you used.

Ihorner2, did state the route had been changed, suggesting knowledge of a change.

PRoW routes change and many are being diverted around field edges. The available digital definitive maps take time to update.

If it has been changed there must be an Order, and it will published on the appropriate authorities website.

A quick search shows there is an Order that reroutes this Footpath. Made on the 8th February 2024, so came into effect on the 7th March 2024.

https://www.essexhighways.org/getting-around/public-rights-of-way/public-path-notices

I can't remember why I added this specific tag on node

node/12008703519

I do know I've thought several times there needs to be a way to tag the fact guideposts are specifically for "Public Rights of Way" or PRoW.

But, with that said I do not remember doing this, and the tag isn't very helpful. I've deleted it in changeset

changeset/153246711

Thanks for letting me know.

I've gone back and had a look at his.
Found video of on YouTube that confirms we're dealing with gates that are not locked.

https://youtu.be/5N8bW8Tzi74?si=eFzh8OeIWIiNCFMR&t=56

(questions about observations of facts in youtube being an acceptable source)

I also managed to create an Overpass Query to show "locked=yes" on all PRoW designated ways.

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Nb7

They problem tags mostly appear due to editing by the National Trust

Hi Dan,

From experience I guessed the problem would be on a node along the way. Dragging end point of Komoot route along the footway confirmed that the issue was the tagging on the gates.

An error has been made and the gates have locked=yes. Which means no access through the gate.

I tried to create on Overpass search to show locked gates on public rights of way. But I wasn't up to the task.

The search below is a more basic and shows anything tagged locked=yes. So will help you find the locked gates.

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1N6A

Hi Tom.

You've removed a post box, north of Exeter that I am confident is still in use. It appears you've used Mapillary images available via pic4review. It can be seen on Mapillary images dates 11 may 2024.

https://www.mapillary.com/app/?z=17&lat=50.7547185&lng=-3.5541450999972&dateFrom=2023-01-01&focus=photo&pKey=1857562381379818&x=0.4863778702581276&y=0.6190027201371464&zoom=0
Road imagery can miss post boxes that are behind parked cars, set back into a hedge.

Thanks,

Jass

Hi.
It looks like you've added the barber at the wrong location? Should be on Blackboy Rd, and not Toronto Road?