Changeset: 97571911
Update Brooklyn Bridge Park bike access. Can't ride on piers.
Closed by TheBestIdea
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Discussion
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Comment from jmapb
I'm a little puzzled here...
I surveyed in January and the southbound signage here (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3351031683) sent bicycles along the sidewalk (paved with blacktop with painted bike markings) and pedestrians along the edge of the pier (see https://i.imgur.com/Qe9YeZj.jpg). The westbound signage here (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3351053358) said please walk bikes. And westbound from here (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2342949845) the path still had bike markings on the pavement, as if the greenway continued toward the pier, with no indication that the northbound sidewalk is anything but a sidewalk.
The only way I could make sense of this is if the greenway had been offically relocated onto the sidewalk but bikes were still allowed on the path along the pier edge. But now it doesn't add up at all.
Maybe it was a temporary detour? But the signage in the picture doesn't look temporary.
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Comment from TheBestIdea
Hey jmapb,
Sorry for the confusion. In my zeal to revert bikes being allowed on the paths at the edges of all 4 piers, I think I was too fast to change your edit about the bike path following the sidewalk on bridge park drive.
I think that you are right that the bike path has been relocated to way 685538890. Your photo is very clear. And I also see the sidewalk in the process of being redone in asphalt in July 2019 street view imagery: https://goo.gl/maps/YDsvnNBvvjvHZkRe9
And looking at the Maxar Premium Imagery (Beta) in iD (which I think is the most recent) I can just make out bike stamps along the way.My guess is that the pavement bike markings at node 2342949845 is just a matter of NYCDOT not coordinating with the Brooklyn Bridge Park Conservancy.
Unless you think differently, I would put things back as you had it with way 685538890 as a cycleway and way 894369891 as a footway.
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Comment from jmapb
I believe you're right about Maxar being the newest around here -- it's the only one that shows the Quay Tower complete (which I still need to add.)
I guess you can go ahead and put the greenway back but the way I had it, but I'm still unsure about the path west from node 2342949845 -- I can't find a picture but I recall it looking very much like a bike path, with its own cycle markings. But now it seems it would be a dead end. Maybe you can still bike to the ferry terminal?
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Comment from TheBestIdea
Access to ferry terminal would make sense. Maybe I'll make the path from node 2342949845 to the ferry as:
highway=path
foot=yes
and leave the bicycle access undefined for the moment? -
Comment from jmapb
Sounds good, I'll give it another peek when the snow melts
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Comment from jmapb
So... although https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/903220983 is clearly signed as a bike route with a greenway emblem, the cycleway paint on the the asphalt sidewalk (sideride?) has improved so a northbound cyclist *might* consider turning right on https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/685538890 instead of heading towards the ferry terminal. I still think this is a matter of signage not keeping up with the reroute. Not sure if any retagging is warranted at this time.
See https://cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipfs/QmcLS8Np3giwWmgMKZxEifacn6bC9ZKJUCq1UPusd3NdMc and https://cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipfs/QmRdoTTokKSGG2bgN2Y28whn8aa4RC6n62AeBok7Geetbe
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Comment from jmapb
(those pictures taken at https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/40.69188/-74.00069 looking NW)
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