Changeset: 89374106
Olympic Park paths are Pedestrian Priority
Closed by Skyguy
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Discussion
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Comment from rskedgell
And that spurious argument gives you the right to break cycle routing through QEOP by leaving paths with no implied or explicit access?
Access reinstated in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90351366, reported to DWG.
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Comment from Skyguy
If I broke connectivity with my edit, I humbly apologise and thank you for catching my mistake. As a frequent user of cycle routing sites, I would not intentionally break any routes unless it was actually broken on the ground.
Can I ask how you detected the breakage, so I can check my edits myself in future? I see in the changeset there are two deleted ways - is there any way to see where they were before deletion? -
Comment from rskedgell
NO problem, and apologies for my rather abrasive tone.
I was plotting a route using Komoot (based on OSM data) and found myself having to create and drag more waypoints than usual to coerce the route onto the expected route, so checked the tagging of the OSM objects. Komoot can sometimes be a bit slow to update, so it's not the best tool for checking routing after editing. You can right click on a point on the map on the OSM website and use "Directions from Here", which will give you options to check foot, bicycle and car using either OSRM or GraphHopper. They don't update anywhere near as quickly as map tiles, but it's certainly quicker than Komoot or Strava.
I don't have any particularly strong feelings about whether a shared unsegregated way is tagged as highway=cycleway or highway=cycleway, as long as routing still works. Using highway=cycleway + segregated=no saves tagging access as it implies bicycle=yes + foot=yes (although in QEOP both of these should probably be explicitly tagged anyway, using permissive as they aren't actually rights of way).
However, cycleway doesn't imply anything about pedestrians not having priority, as the general understanding in the UK is that pedestrians have right of way on shared infra anyway. The Highway Code is a bit vague on it as there's no legislation which would allow it to use MUST.
Rule 62 currently includes this wording:
"Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people,
and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary."
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82The proposed new Rule 63 could also reasonably be read as strongly implying pedestrian priority:
"Sharing space with pedestrians, horse riders and horse drawn vehicles.
When riding in places where sharing with pedestrians, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles is permitted take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older adults or disabled people. Let them know you
are there when necessary e.g. by ringing your bell (it is recommended that a bell is fitted to your bike), or by calling out politely.
Remember that pedestrians may be deaf, blind or partially sighted and that this may not be obvious.
Do not pass pedestrians, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles closely or at high speed, particularly from behind. Remember that horses can be startled if passed without warning. Always be prepared to slow down and stop when necessary."
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/review-of-the-highway-code-to-improve-road-safety-for-cyclists-pedestrians-and-horse-riders/summary-of-the-consultation-proposals-on-a-review-of-the-highway-code
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