Changeset: 79095999
added name:Zsye (the emojis) to all countries and simmelar which are supported by unicode
Closed by Ferdinand0101
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (15553 de) |
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source | knowlegde |
Discussion
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Comment from goedegazelle
No idea what you mean, no emojis found either. Please don't edit my country if you don't know it.
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Comment from JeroenHoek
Hmm… It does work, but did you coordinate this on the tagging mailinglist? How did you determine the proper codes? Did you use the ISO3166-1:alpha2 field? Is that always correct?
In any case, you should really document name:Zsye on the OSM wiki, because its use may not be directly apparent. In JOSM the codes aren't rendered as flags.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
What was the source of this data and how do I verify it?
Best Regards,
Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group. -
Comment from Ferdinand0101
the source is base of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Indicator_Symbolabout the documentation of the name:Zsye tag:
the Zsye is a special code from ISO 15924 which is used for emojis.it fits into the format of other names as such and because it was already used in china before this edit I did not write documentation for it.
> because its use may not be directly apparent. In JOSM the codes aren't rendered as flags.
This shouldn't be the case in theory since every unicode system should support them but of the major systems windows does not support it -
Comment from SomeoneElse
As was already made clear at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3285 , you can't use wikipedia as a source for OSM. The licences are not compatible. Either you can revert this, or we'll have to.
Best Regards,
Andy -
Comment from Ferdinand0101
Wikipedia wasn't used as the source I used the unicode website for it but I showed you the wikipedia page which has the identical names and is a lot cleaner
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Comment from SomeoneElse
So you're saying that you didn't use wikipedia as a source but did copy from wikipedia? How does that make any sense?
Also, you haven't answered my second question - where do I go to verify this data? -
Comment from Ferdinand0101
No I did not copy from wikipedia but the list that from unicode and wikipedia is identical
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Comment from SomeoneElse
What is the licence under which it is made available and how can I verify it?
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Comment from InsertUser
As the first sentence in the wiki link says they are "... used to encode ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 two-letter country codes ..." and those codes are already in OSM, this seems a redundant addition.
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Comment from Ferdinand0101
about the license:
> Any person is hereby authorized, without fee, to view, use, reproduce, and distribute all documents and files, subject to the Terms and Conditions herein. -
Comment from Ferdinand0101
about the usefulnes:
1. this should enable searching for countries/a few regions with emojis.
(also should work with search engines)
2. looks good and helps identify countries on non windows platforms. -
Comment from SomeoneElse
@Ferdinand0101 Are you seriously suggesting that people will search for things using emojis which are simply a transliteration of a 2-character country code rather than just search using that country code, even when (as discussed above) most users won't even be able to _see_ the data?
OpenStreetMap is a collaborative project - we have to work together on it. That's why, before adding something to _every country on earth_ it would make sense to discuss it with people. -
Comment from Ferdinand0101
> Are you seriously suggesting that people will search for things using emojis which are simply a transliteration of a 2-character country code rather than just search using that country code
Yes but only on mobile. (I have done it before.)> we have to work together on it. That's why, before adding something to _every country on earth_ it would make sense to discuss it with people.
Yes I really failed at that part
Sorry. -
Comment from SomeoneElse
Reverted in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/79130450 .
If you'd like to go forward with this, I'd suggest treating it as a "mechanical edit" and following the guidelines at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct . Describe what you're suggesting on an international mailing list, and give people plenty of time to comment or say whether they'd like their country to be included (or not). Explain what you're going to do with edge cases (where the country codes in OSM don't match the list that you're copying from) - there is no one standard list of countries that everyone in the world agrees on. Also explain the benefits of what your are trying to do is.
Also explain how this data fits in with the key OSM concept of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability (something that you haven't answered above). -
Comment from Ferdinand0101
Okay thank you.
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Comment from JeroenHoek
A tip: a lot of countries already have a 'flag' entry that points to an SVG image with the correct flag on Wikimedia Commons. You could use this data to verify the applicability of the name:Zsye in your proposal. You will likely end up with a list where most of the countries are straight-forward, leaving a few edge cases the community may want to comment on.
For what it's worth (I'm just a contributor), I think your argument of enabling search for 🇳🇱 etc. makes sense. Not sure if Nominatim supports that out of the box though, but that shouldn't be hard to fix in due time.
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Comment from Peter Bremer
I can understand the idea behind this, but emojis do not form a "name". Even if you could call emoji a language (which I doubt), it does not have a concept of names.
It would fit beter with it's own tag ("emoji" maybe?), and then you could go even further and also add things like 🗻 (Mount Fuji) and 🗽 (Statue of Liberty).
But personally, I think it's a bad idea.
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Comment from StefanB
Or it could be a subtag of the existing flag tag, eg "flag:emoji"
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Comment from JeroenHoek
There is a proposal now here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Emoji_names
StefanB: A sub-tag for flag wouldn't work for the third class of emoji mentioned: those that are pictogram representations of OSM entities (e.g., the Statue of Libtery).
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