Changeset: 78489168
Sham Tseng Ic intersection - Sham Tsz St RA: road j, lanes; footway, sidewalk, crosswalk; entrance, barrier; parking
Closed by Kovoschiz
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resolved:crossing_ways:building-highway | 2 |
resolved:disconnected_way:highway | 2 |
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Discussion
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Comment from feta2
Hi Kovoschiz,
I noticed you added junction:ref= NT405 to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/158584374, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/158584309, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/158584377, and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/524742248. Based on the Key:junction:ref wiki : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:junction:ref that tag combination should be used for exit numbers. Is there a reason you decided to use this tag? I also noticed https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6705213952 has the ref=NT405 information on it and was curious what it refers to?Thanks,
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Comment from Kovoschiz
First of all, I think there's some issues with the Wiki. It is a "in use" key only, and the associated proposal is only in draft stage and is very old.
If you compare definitions, you will see there are some inconsistencies. "junction" itsel refers to a junction, nothing more (see `junction=`). `highway=motorway_junction` is a historic mistake of referring to exits (UK conveniently mixes up "motorway junction" and exit numbers), and this is apparently what the `junction:ref=` page is referring to. Furthermore, when you look at the page, it mentioned `destination=`, however "junction" and "destination" are really different concepts. No one really knows how the page's author comes to the conclusion, despite >20k uses of `junction:ref=`.
In Hong Kong, signalized junctions and crosswalks are numbered on the ground by the set of traffic signal system. Someone took the time to add them. Since them, at least there are some attempts to incorporate them properly (the standalone `note=highway=traffic_signals` or unchanged `highway=traffic_signals` nodes. Recently, I'm settling towards using `traffic_signal:ref=` instead of `junction:ref=`, so they should be changed in the future.
Anyway, no one really uses exit numbers much in HK. They are purely a systematic construct for the sake of it. You will notice interchange and roundabout names, as well as street names at times, are pretty inconsistent. -
Comment from Kovoschiz
(You will see J-numbers being used to refer to the entire interchange in the UK. Exit numbers are meaningless to use in this respect, and they don't cover entrances and entry-only connector roads.)
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Comment from Kovoschiz
To be consistent, for the time being I feel like one should use `motorway_junction:ref=` to go with `highway=motorway_junction` when referring to exits.
Shockingly, apparently `highway=motorway_junction` is also de facto only. You will some discussion on this topic. -
Comment from Kovoschiz
* You will some discussion on this topic in the talk page
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Comment from feta2
Hello Kovoschiz,
Thanks for the quick and detailed response. It is interesting to learn about the numbering of junctions and crosswalks. I noticed on taginfo (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/traffic_signals%3Aref#values) more of them that are tagged with `traffic_signal:ref=` in Hong Kong. Would you like me to go ahead and edit those four ways I mentioned earlier?
Thanks again,
feta2 -
Comment from Kovoschiz
I made an HK-wide tidy. openstreetmap.org/changeset/84772139
Ways (121-125 of 125)
Relations (1-20 of 22)
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- 2
2123920, v3- 九巴234A線 KMB 234A (浪翠園 Sea Crest Villa → 荃灣西站 Tsuen Wan West Station) (5833062), v32
- 九巴234B線 KMB 234B (浪翠園 Sea Crest Villa → 荃灣西站 Tsuen Wan West Station) (5847525), v24
- 九巴52X線 KMB 52X (旺角(柏景灣) Mong Kok (Park Avenue) → 屯門市中心 Tuen Mun Central) (6566499), v37
- 九巴52X線 KMB 52X (屯門市中心 Tuen Mun Central → 旺角(柏景灣) Mong Kok (Park Avenue)) (6566500), v35
- 九巴53線 KMB 53 (荃灣西站 Tsuen Wan West Station → 元朗站 Yuen Long Station) (6566515), v43
- 九巴53線 KMB 53 (元朗站 Yuen Long Station → 荃灣西站 Tsuen Wan West Station) (6566517), v45
- 九巴261B線 KMB 261B (三聖 Sam Shing → 九龍站 Kowloon Station) (6616913), v27
- 九巴234B線 KMB 234B (荃灣西站 Tsuen Wan West Station → 浪翠園 Sea Crest Villa) (6638105), v13
6700410, v36700411, v3- 過海隧巴962B線 Cross-harbour Bus 962B (置樂花園 Chi Lok Fa Yuen → 銅鑼灣 Causeway Bay) (6888446), v32
- 過海隧巴962B線 Cross-harbour Bus 962B (置樂花園 Chi Lok Fa Yuen → 金鐘 Admiralty) (6888459), v25
- 過海隧巴962B線 Cross-harbour Bus 962B (銅鑼灣 Causeway Bay → 置樂花園 Chi Lok Fa Yuen) (6890325), v30
- 九巴52X線 KMB 52X (掃管笏 So Kwun Wat → 旺角(柏景灣) Mong Kok (Park Avenue)) (8701257), v13
- 九巴261B線 KMB 261B (掃管笏 So Kwun Wat → 九龍站 Kowloon Station) (8701266), v17
- 過海隧巴962E線 Cross-harbour Bus 962E (掃管笏 So Kwun Fat → 鰂魚涌 Quarry Bay) (8704311), v13
- 過海隧巴962E線 Cross-harbour Bus 962E (鰂魚涌 Quarry Bay → 掃管笏 So Kwun Fat) (8704394), v16
- 過海隧巴962B線 Cross-harbour Bus 962B (灣仔 Wan Chai → 置樂花園 Chi Lok Fa Yuen) (8704398), v11
- 九巴N252線 KMB N252 (美孚 Mei Foo → 三聖 Sam Shing) (8704448), v8
Nodes (1-20 of 239)
- 274265912, v6
- 274265913, v5
- 274265914, v4
- 274265920, v11
- 1707528906, v2
- 1707529030, v3
- 1707529067, v2
- 1707529077, v2
- 1707529097, v2
- 1707529165, v3
- 1707529184, v4
- 1707529189, v10
1707529212, v10- 1707529229, v4
- 1707529231, v5
- 1707529237, v3
- 1707529242, v4
- 1707529246, v3
- 1707529247, v3
- NT405 (1707529249), v5
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