Changeset: 67743619
Очередной откат вандализма украинского националиста над иностранными названиями реки. Автор (Poliakoff Mykhailo) не предоставляет источника новых названий, а просто правит их на свой лад, так чтобы они не были похожи на русский язык.
Closed by yaugenka
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Discussion
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Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
revert
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Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
The main thing about this project is the local name.
The Russian name has no relation to the principle of on ground and has never had
The Russian name Pripyat has no relation to the local name.
Your words that the Russian name is a local name is delusional and only confirms that you don’t know the territory at all, that you map it by copying information from the Internet
I used to catch you that they used the Belarusian cadastre which did not grant a license to use the information in the openstreetmap -
Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
thank you for the wars of redagings (destruction of confirmed information) and insults of Ukrainians help us to create a lock on your account
So go on.
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Comment from yaugenka
you have not provided any evidence for the new names. so your edits are treated as vandalism and will be reverted. continue reverting and you will be get banned first.
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Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
Prypiat is in the English Wikipedia is also in the Google search results
French card is a confirmation for the French language
on the rest of the languages there is confirmation in the appropriate wikipedia -
Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
about the evidence you write a blatant lie
All translations are in Wikipedia or on the Internet.
you have no authority at all to prohibit translation from wikipedia or the Prypiat search results -
Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
This is sufficient with confirmation
International Congress
https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=QmNb6T0oenoC&pg=PA4023&lpg=PA4023&dq=prypiat+river&source=bl&ots=JDoa-WDixp&sig=ACfU3U3sOhdaKasjszJmne4ToLaj_oragQ&hl=uk&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXxbPvjIbhAhUk_CoKHfJ9DmU4ChDoATABegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=prypiat%20river&f=false -
Comment from yaugenka
Ok. Let'a analyse your changes one by one.
1. you removed name:en=Pripyat␣River tag at all - no comments. pure vandalism.
2. you reverted name:it=Pryp'jat' to Pryp"jat' - I corrected a typo mistake in here and you reverted the correction. so no comments. pure vandalism.
3. you changed name:no=Prypjats to Pripjat
and alt_name:no=Prypjat;Pripjat to Prypjat␣Prypjats - can you provide grounds for this change?
BTW the usage of space symbol for separating alt names contradicts the osm wiki. semecolon should be used instead.
4. you reverted name:pt=Rio␣Pripiat to Rio␣Prípiat - I corrected a typo mistake in here and you reverted the correction. so no comments. pure vandalism.
5. you removed name:sv=Prypjat at all - no comments. pure vandalism.
you also changed alt_name:sv=Prypjats to Prypjat i.e. you removed another valid name here - no comments. pure vandalism.
6. you changed name:vi=Sông␣Prypiat to Sông␣Pripyat - can you provide grounds for this change?
7. you added Prypiats to alt_name:fr - it is ok with me to it in alt_names.
8. you added alt_name:nl=Prypjats - it is ok with me to it in alt_names. -
Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
the Italian name is correct; see the Italian Wikipedia and find in the Italian Wikipedia the rules for recording the names of the Ukrainian language in Italian letters
UKRAINIAN apostrophe in the Italian language is "
Italian uses a 1960s system known as BGN/PCGN** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Ukrainian
to write objects of Ukrainian geography
There is a resolution of the Italian Wikipedia community -
Comment from yaugenka
ok this point is accepted. what about the rest?
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Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
name:pt Rio Prypiat
https://outrosentidoblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/prypiat-a-cidade-fantasma/https://pt.euronews.com/2016/04/22/kiev-um-lago-de-peixe-radioativo
http://faunacantabrica.blogspot.com/2016/07/bielorrusia-4-parte-rio-prypiat.html
(site from Brasil ) https://www.brasil247.com/pt/colunistas/heliorocha/381819/Vale-uma-Chernobyl-para-chamar-de-nossa.htm
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Comment from yaugenka
First of all, how does this explain your reverting of typo correction in point 4? Secondly, the mentions of "Rio Prypiat" in portuguese personal blogs and websites only let you add it to "alt_name", but do not establish it as the most commonly used name for the "name" tag.
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Comment from Poliakoff Mykhailo
often used is nonsense
A few confirmations are enough
Read in the middle of the discussion the text of the DWG spokesperson about Kyiv
The predecessor dwg only writes about the evidence and nothing about the quantity
You can return the Russian fake violating the rule ONLY in type = watwerwayIn Ukraine, I wrote, now I am writing and I will write in the future: the Ukrainian community does not use at all the translation in the basis of which the Russian name
I’ll never see the translation of the name created on the basis of the Russian name in Ukraine.
All returns return on the basis of the Russian name for us is vandalism and we clean them constantlyoften used is nonsense
A few confirmations are enough
Read in the middle of the discussion the text of the DWG spokesperson about Kyiv
The predecessor dwg only writes about the evidence and nothing about the quantity
You can return the Russian fake violating the rule ONLY in type = watwerwayIn Ukraine, I wrote, now I am writing and I will write in the future: the Ukrainian community does not use at all the translation in the basis of which the Russian name
I’ll never see the translation of the name created on the basis of the Russian name in Ukraine.
All returns return on the basis of the Russian name for us is vandalism and we clean them constantlyUkraine is a territory without translations, based on the Russian name
Ukraine is a translation territory based on a Ukrainian name.
Ві waste time wasting demands to return Russian fakes
Russian fakes do not have any fault for Ukraine
I am ready for the purpose of 2019 to lead a discussion with you, but the victory will be mine, that is, real Ukrainian or Belarusian names. -
Comment from yaugenka
The river is international, so the frequence of usage is the only criterion for putting a name into "name" tag in the waterway relation.
I see that you have partially restored your last revert. I have applied to following corrections to that:
1. restored alt_name:sv=Prypjats
2. restored "Rio Pripiat" in the name:pt tag because this name is the most frequently used one.
3. restored "Sông␣Pripyat" in name:vi because that was the original name in that tag and it is the most common one.With regards to the waterway ways, I completely agree with you that the variant which resembles the local name should be put into the "name" tag (I usually do that on other rivers as well) but only if there is an evidence of that variant in foreign publications. The other variants should be placed into alt_names in this case (not into the old_names). I have just corrected this in here https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/68207102
BTW "Prypiats" which you put into the name:fr resembles Belarusian more than Ukrainian. "Pripiat" or language neutral "Pripet" is more appropriate for Ukrainian territory in my mind.
Ways (12)
- Прип'ять (147646523), v18
- Прип'ять (244944063), v30
- Прип'ять (268477571), v10
- Прип'ять (268554082), v11
- Прип'ять (281327475), v16
- Прип'ять (334683220), v14
- Прип'ять (410657210), v11
- Прип'ять (410657326), v10
- Прип'ять (410657369), v11
- Прип'ять (421237130), v9
- Прип'ять (618580537), v8
- Прип'ять (618580538), v9
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