Changeset: 58785949
Use highway=path for footways with bicycle access permission
Closed by zstadler
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Discussion
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Comment from SafwatHalaby
As discussed earlier, these edits seem to be bad for crossings.
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Comment from zstadler
Are you referring to highway=crossing or some other kind of crossing?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing -
Comment from SafwatHalaby
I am referring to highway=crossing nodes linked with a way which has both highway=footway and footway=crossing. After your edits, the way now has highway=path, footway=crossing which is invalid tagging. See: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:footway%3Dcrossing
This has occurred in older bulk edits too. I think you simply need to exclude ways that also carry footway=crossing or that are connected to highway=crossing nodes.
Take a look at the main streets in Daliat el carmel for instance. most crossings were affected.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/32.6896/35.0607 -
Comment from SafwatHalaby
On a more general note, I am not sure the global community agrees that highway=path equals highway=footway + bicycle=yes.
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A footway is mainly for people, it may or may not allow bikes. A path is generic.
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The way crossings are tagged (they are mainly footways) exemplifies this. there is a footway=crossing tag but no path=crossing tag. -
Comment from zstadler
The OSM Wiki does not agree on clear differentiation between "path" and "footway" highways as far as access.
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath says:
"or urban paths which a designated for pedestrians only, better use highway=footway."
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway says:
"Where a pathway is designated for pedestrians but is also allowed for bicycles you can use highway=footway and bicycle=yes."
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It looks like the authors of both "path" and "footway" tags would like to use their own tag for mixed usage with the usual majority for walking.
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Personally, I find "footway" + bicycle=yes confusing misleading and redundant.
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In addition, there is nothing that prevents the use of path=crossing or cycleway=crossing. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like -
Comment from zstadler
Nevertheless, since I don't want to get into a dispute, and I care a bit less about urban mapping, I have reverted the change for all footway=crossing ways.
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Comment from zstadler
BTW, according to Israeli law, (129)(ז), riding a bicycle is forbidden on a footway=crossing.
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The appropriate tagging is therefore,
bicycle=dismount. See
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https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94#%D7%A1%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A3_129 -
Comment from SafwatHalaby
There won't be a dispute. I am not strongly in favor of a particular tagging method. I merely wanted to point out that highway=path + footway=crossing is not correct.
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I do agree that highway=footway and bicycle=yes can be a bit messy, and while "any tag you like" is allowed, it is usually recommended to use established tags, and one needs to check how the new tags affect different editors / viewers.
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Are there well-established alternatives to highway=footway, footway=crossing, bicycle=dismount? -
Comment from zstadler
If there is no separate bicycle crossing sign (תמרור 812 - https://noeg.co.il/tamrurs/i257.jpg), then IMO highway=footway with footway=crossing tags is just fine, without any bicycle/cycleway tags.
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When there is such a sign, then some elaborate tagging is required, probably with segregated=yes. I didn't go into the depths of bicycle tagging philosophy.
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