Changeset: 38534150
Fixing
Closed by ciyi
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created_by | reverter;JOSM/1.5 (9979 en) |
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source | survey |
Discussion
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Comment from Geography Canada
Please don't do such things!
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Comment from Geography Canada
You deleted the SADR!
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Comment from Geography Canada
Obviously, you are for Morocco, because you're a Moroccan. However, that does not mean you can just delete the SADR and get away with it without discussing the matter first.
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Comment from Geography Canada
SomeoneElse is against the idea of deleting the SADR, especially without discussion, and 4rch is against the idea as well:
"Hello technoprox, please note the OSMF guidelines on disputed boundaries: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic isn't under the control of Morocco. We map real boundaries, meaning physical control.
See also on the ground rule: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule
Please respect also the boundaries of Spain around Melilla/Ceuta.
When you need a map which shows the boundaries according to the Moroccon viewpoint, there are a bunch of tools for OSM out there with whom you can produce your own map.
I've reverted your changesets which do not reflect the reality on the ground."
That was 4rch.
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Comment from Geography Canada
See? Wow, this is horrible! SADR needs to put back. Because of you, now someone has to go and fix it again.
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Comment from FJ RA
I think this changeset should be reverted.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
Hello,
I'm writing to you on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group. Questions have been raised about the accuracy of the boundaries of Morocco, and I'm sending this message to many of the mappers who have edited in the area or expressed an interest, including you.We're aware that there is disputed territory in the region. Most notably the area covered by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara , and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta and other areas to the north.
First, it's worth mentioning https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf . That explains that what matters most to OSM in terms of names, borders and boundaries is the "on the ground" rule. For example, if a majority of the population of an area speaks language "a" then it makes sense for OSM's "name" tag to be in language "a" (though of course other name tags such as name:b, name:c etc. can also be used to make maps in other languages). Similarly, if the people of an area consider themselves to be part of country "a" and country "a" does indeed have control over the area, it makes sense for the area to be part of country "a" (and only country "a") in OSM.
Potential problems in the area covered by the Morocco admin_level 2 relation http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3630439 include:
1) That relation includes not only the part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara currently administered by Morocco (the part west of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Wall_%28Western_Sahara%29 ), it also includes the part of that territory east of it too. Is this correct? It seems at odds with OSM's "on the ground" rule, and with the UN peacekeepers' position described at http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/minurso/background.shtml .
2) That relation also includes territories administered by Spain such as Ceuta and Melilla. What evidence is there that Morocco controls these territories and that Spain does not?
Another major question, (largely dependant on the answer to (1) above) is:
3) If the area east of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Wall_%28Western_Sahara%29 isn't part of Morocco, what status should it have? http://osm.mapki.com/history/relation.php?id=195838 did represent this territory and had several different admin levels before it was deleted.
The DWG would be grateful for your opinions on these matters. You can either reply here or, if you prefer you can email data@osmfoundation.org directly and we'll read through all the replies.
Best Regards,
Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse) on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
Hello again,
Following on from my "I'm writing to you on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group" comment above, we'd had feedback from lots of OSM mappers in the area. The findings and the changes that will be made are described at
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=606038#p606038 . If you have any further comments you can contact the Data Working Group by email on data@osmfoundation.org
Thanks,
Andy
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