Changeset: 149796980
Retagged some closed POI nodes that had"(closed)" in the name to "disused" and removed POIs with only outdated info. I know this is a large geographical edit, but I did manual checks and this method saves me the hassle of doing 350+ separate uploads.
Closed by Friendly_Ghost
Tags
Overpass_query | https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1JIT |
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (18969 en_GB) |
Discussion
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Comment from silversurfer83
Hi there :)
why would you delete all those POIs? What happened to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keep_the_history
and
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix
?cheers
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Comment from osmuser63783
Yes, please don't delete shops just because they are closed :-)
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Comment from Friendly_Ghost
What do you mean, don't delete them? If you want to fill a map with. purely historical data, add it to OpenHistoricalMap. Following OSM guidelines, removing objects that no longer exist is in fact the right thing to do.
In cases where there was relevant data left over (address tags etc.) I retagged the businesses with the "disused" lifecycle prefix, so those aren't gone, but empty objects with only lifecycle prefixes on them would only clutter the database without contributing anything useful, so I chose to remove them.
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Comment from silversurfer83
I dare to disagree.
Without knowing what's on the ground how do you know there's not a vacant shop which is something absolutely worth mapping IMHO. There's a reason for the lifecycle prefixes.
Also: as long as the data isn't redacted or actually deleted in the database it's not really gone. You don't really save anything by "deleting" these nodes. -
Comment from Friendly_Ghost
A vacant shop isn't a shop so there wouldn't be anything to map there.
What you save by deleting outdated objects is that you get them out of mappers' way. Otherwise we might as well implement a policy of stripping outdated objects of their tags and then leaving them around, which I suppose wouldn't bother any end users and would satisfy the "keep the history" guideline, but I have a strong suspicion that that idea would upset more than a few mappers.
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Comment from osmuser63783
At least in my city the convention is essentially that a POI node represents a shopfront (though the nodes typically duplicate the address tags). When the shop closes, we mark it as disused. When it reopens, we update the tags.
While it's closed, StreetComplete, Every Door etc. will regularly ask their users if someone new has moved into the vacant unit, so keeping the node around is practically useful, it encourages resurveying.
If the building is demolished or the shop unit converted to residential, we of course delete the node.
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Comment from pitfire
Without regional review, the approach is not acceptable.
disused:shop is a clear indication that part of the building has teaching status and therefore no remodeling has taken place -
Comment from silversurfer83
I do not think it to be a good idea to simply delete all those POIs without some kind of review or discussion.
Please undo the deletion part.
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Comment from Friendly_Ghost
osmuser, you mentioned address tags. I made sure to mark all closed POIs with address tags as disused.
pitfire, where did you get that interpretation from?
silversurfer, the review has already been done by the mappers who have marked the POIs as closed.
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Comment from Tjuro
Good initiative, a while back I was searching for poi’s using OM, I found one walked a good 30 minutes to it only to find no shop there. The shop had a “closed” in French postfixed in an edit a few months back.
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