Changeset: 136124455
Manually checked and reviewed edit based on a Map builder user. Added building near RÄ“zeknes novads, Latgale, Latvia. #MapBuilder #MSFTOpenMaps
Closed by Aleksandar1994
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (18721 en) |
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hashtags | #MapBuilder;#MSFTOpenMaps |
source | Bing aerial imagery; Map builder |
Discussion
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Comment from HellMap
Hello again,
Building additions like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1173048317 or https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1173048172 or https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1173047928 etc. are all misaligned. As I mentioned before, Bing is not a good source in Latvia for aerial tracing with no reference points in the middle of nowhere.
Speaking in general, I guess it's better than nothing. But it really feels like the time could be spent more efficiently than using low-resolution offset imagery to add singular buildings.
Thanks
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Comment from richlv
Hi Aleksandar1994, as this problem does not seem to be an exception, please pause any additions in Latvia for now.
Before resuming, please discuss with the local community (preferably at https://osmlatvija.zulipchat.com) how to best fix these recurring issues. -
Comment from Aleksandar1994
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
We apologize for any misunderstandings or oversights and are committed to making sure our processes adhere to local guidelines. As we strive to validate map edits worldwide, we sometimes use Bing aerial imagery when local imagery is not available or is of poor quality.
However, we understand the importance of using high-quality local imagery, and we are working to improve our logic to use correct imagery depending on the region.
If you notice any further discrepancies or have additional feedback, please don't hesitate to let us know.
Thank you again for your attention to this matter.
Aleksandar -
Comment from richlv
Hi Aleksandar, thank you for your reply.
It seems to be rather generic, though. As this same problem has happened multiple times, could you please detail the exact steps taken to fix this - especially regarding the manual aspect (as per the changeset message, "Manually checked")?Such repeated problems show Microsoft and Bing in a less positive light, and create unnecessary tensions with local communities, which eventually can lead to arbitration by DWG, account blocks etc. That's something we all would like to avoid.
Latvian OSM community is the most active in this Zulip chat currently: https://osmlatvija.zulipchat.com .
It would be greatly appreciated if you had a chance to join and discuss this topic with the community - we have representatives from other companies doing that with great success.Additionally, in June 8-9 the State of the Map Baltics conference takes place in Riga - we'd be happy to welcome you to Latvia and work together in person for a better map in the future :)
https://2023.sotm-baltics.org/ -
Comment from Aleksandar1994
Hi richlv,
Thank you for the invitation to the conference and the local community! I will ask about the possibility to attend the conference and we will explore how we can work closely with the local community (in Latvia and in general).
We improved our validation software so that our editorial team now has the country being shown when judging changesets, so we can catch this early. We will also try to adjust the offset as needed for Latvia. I also acknowledge that we might not be 100% successful as there are a lot of changes to check, but if it happens again, I want to you know that those could only be honest mistakes. Please let us know if you notice anything else (or this thing again), so we can improve!
As a long-term solution, we will ping a satellite team to give a better offset for Latvia.Best regards
Aleksandar
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