Changeset: 120361403
Upgraded tags with new Expressway feature. Downgraded Motorways to Trunk as per OSM guidelines regarding short isolated segments of freeway.
Closed by Stretch Longfellow
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Discussion
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Comment from rjgambrel
About the time you were making the specific change to a section of US 14 by adding the expressway=yes tag there was a discussion going on and reached about which motorway islands on US 14 (and other highways in Minnesota) should be classified as expressway. I have removed the expressway=yes for this small segment of US 14 to comply with the agreed Minnesota guidelines. If you are editing roads in Minnesota, please refer to: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Minnesota/Minnesota_highway_classification. The changeset where I reverted the expressway=yes change is: 124751076. Please feel free to message me and if you would like, join the Slack discussion about Minnesota Highway classification or make comments on the wiki page.
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Comment from Stretch Longfellow
Fear not, I was already instructed at length about how Minnesota does not conform to standards elsewhere in the country, reverted all of my MN edits, and promised never to touch MN again months ago. Never editing there again; too many complex and contradictory rules!
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Comment from rjgambrel
Who instructed you that? I think MN tried hard to adhere to US guidelines. Feel free to message me directly.
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Comment from Stretch Longfellow
Whoever I had that conversation with months ago. I don't remember and I don't particularly care to look it up. But that was my first experience with state-based regulations (like Minnesota's bizarre motorway islands that cause confusion and look hideous in my opinion), and there is a LOT of variance state to state. I also found a lot of places in Minnesota's documentation that is contradictory to itself, hence why I figured it would be best to just bow out and let locals deal with it. Now I'm working on Nebraska's standards since we don't have any documentation.
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Comment from rjgambrel
Thank you for continuing the conversation. Coming up with state guidelines required lots of discussions and consensus building. The attempt was to eliminate ambiguity where possible with the possibility, always, of adding new ambiguity. It was a 1.0 attempt and maybe someday in the future we will revisit. I wish you luck with your effort. It can be daunting. Specifically with respect to the expressway tags, I have been reviewing all of the current use of it in MN. (I did this before we started the effort, and of course there was very little.) Our guidelines try to provide both general guidelines about when to use (which conforms we think with the broader US guidelines). The island discussion was difficult but in the end we reviewed each island and made a determination as to whether it was a
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Comment from rjgambrel
valid motorway island or should better be classified a trunk/expressway. Lots of disagreement across US but we thought we found consensus. In my effort (today) to review expressway=yes segments I found this about yours (not done yet, so might have to revise this): you seem to equate a divided highway as the main (only?) criterion to qualifying it for expressway=yes. The guidelines require more than that. The standard is something like "slightly degraded" from motorway. (Don't remember the words exactly, but that is the intent, it seems.) Having a lot of at grade intersections, we feel, does not qualify as "slightly degraded". I look forward to looking at your Nebraska consensus. Maybe you will have simplified guidelines we can adopt (after consensus discussion). Enjoy! And thanks for your time.
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