Changeset: 115615338
fixed tagging
Closed by Mashin
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changesets_count | 5065 |
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created_by | iD 2.20.2 |
host | https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit |
imagery_used | Esri World Imagery (Clarity) Beta |
locale | en |
Discussion
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Comment from Greg_Rose
So you're just going to delete the trail names with no discussion, not even 24 hours after I edited? Not cool - at all.
I'm taking the names from DEEP - these are the names of the trails according to THE authoritative source. What is YOUR source for the changes you made? -
Comment from Greg_Rose
I take it back - the names are coming from the CFPA (www.ctwoodlands.org). Do you not consider them authoritative?
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Comment from Mashin
"The Green Trail" etc. are definitely not official names.
Also would you mind including source of you data to your changesets? You are adding peaks with elevation and names, deleting existing hiking relations, adding stream names... which clearly couldn't come from Strava layer.
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Comment from Greg_Rose
So much to deal with here....
a) You seem to know that those "are definitely not official names", yet fail to name your source for that knowledge. In this same change you deleted the name of the Pond Mountain NA "Entry Trail", despite it clearly being the official name (www.pondmountaintrust.org > Trail Map tab). So I'm quite skeptical that you actually know what the trail names are - and I suspect that you just are guessing.
Please keep in mind that the name field is for "Common or Official usage" (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name), which means if there is no official name, then the common name is acceptable. Just because the common name matches the trail blazing doesn't mean that it is invalid!
b) There is not enough room in the "source" field to name all my sources in every change. I do have sources for everything though - what specifically do you have questions about? I will ALWAYS respond to queries about my sources.
c) >You are adding peaks with elevation and names, deleting existing hiking relations, adding stream names...
- Elevation points are coming from many different sources, as GNIS data is notoriously bad, both in location of the elevation point, and actual elevation. I will often center the point using OpenTopoMap (much more accurate than old topos), and use common naming from Peakbagger or ListsofJohn, if the GNIS does not record the point.
- If I find hiking relations created with only one member, I am either deleting or combining them into a larger relation. A 1-member relation goes against the most basic OSM guidelines - it's pointless and a waste of your time and effort to make short unnamed trails into unnamed 1-member relations.
- Stream names are usually coming from the newer NHD dataset that can be found in many different places. The old NHD dataset currently used in many places on OSM is riddled with inaccuracies. Bull Mountain Brook near Kent is a good example.Remember we are on the SAME TEAM: We both want the same thing - an accurate and usable dataset!
I honestly think we can work this out and come to an agreement - we are both obviously passionate about mapping, and that's exactly what OSM needs!Greg
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Comment from Mashin
I hiked those trails many times. There are no such names posted anywhere, no one knows or uses those names. You are just adding stuff from various online sources without knowing anything about the local situation.
Look, I spent weeks cleaning trails in CT and building hiking relations which is a VALID way of mapping that is preferred around the OSM. You are right now directly undoing all my work even though I asked you not to it.
In addition please do not delete hiking relations. They are valid data about where to hike and it doesn't matter if there is one or multiple members in the relation.
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