Changeset: 115561951
added area:highway
Closed by Ds5rUy
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Comment from os-emmer
Hi Ds5rUy,
in this area you made 3 very similar areas witharea:highway=turning_circle
turning_circle=hammer
type=multipolygonThe turning_circle=* should only be used for nodes. I think we should change the areas to
area:highway=residential
type=multipolygonI don't even think that there are turning_circles at all here. It looks like normal junctions. So I would like to remove the nodes too. What do you think about this?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13615771
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Comment from Ds5rUy
"turning_circle" is really a bad name of the tag, but it is what we have. It is used to tag a lot of things which are designed to support turning but which aren't necessarily circles.
The areas I tagged this way are specifically designed do support turning. That little way that goes off to the side has no purpose beyond allowing the garbage truck to be able to turn here (which is why there is also signs that prohibits parking in these 2 little stubby parts during the hours each week when the garbage truck normally operates).
highway=turning_circle is meant to be tagged on a node. Yes.
turning_circle=x is an additional tag which can be added to a highway=turning_circle to clarify the nature of the turning "circle".
In this case it's used on a area:highway=turning_circle, analog to a highway=turning_circle, to further clarify that type of turning point this is.
Like with other real turning "circles" there can be driveways going of that area.
Fundamentally, the areas I tagged this way exist in the shape they do primarily because they allow turning at this point for larger vehicles.
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Comment from os-emmer
Thank you for your quick and informative answer. I think I now understand what you where doing.
Even though the areas are area:highway=*, they are still highway=*. And therefore I can use the turning_circle-tag on it.
The corresponding proposal (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Street_area) is inactive right now but area:highway=turning_circle and the similar area:highway=turning_loop seems to be used by others too (https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1wdC).
I am very glad that I asked about this instead of just editing. Sometimes it realy helps to get a second view. Thanks :)
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Comment from Ds5rUy
It's important to understand that while the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process can help with hammering out the details of a tag and making sure that it's exactly definition has widespread support, it is not mandatory for a tag to have gone through the proposal process and having been successfully voted on for that tag to be used.
In the end this comes down to one of the basic principles of OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like
In regards to area:highway specifically, while there isn't a successfully voted on and accepted proposal, what exists on documentation so far is generally accepted as a reasonable way to map these types of things.
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