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Reverted to cycleway*=track. U-turns by cyclists can be performed along full length
Closed by MacLondon
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Discussion
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Comment from ramthelinefeed
Mac, I wouldn't really interperet the documentation at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway in this manner.
It says "A cycle track is separated from the road by curbs, parking lots, grass verges, trees, bollards or another physical barrier, but is running parallel and next to the road" and "may alternatively be drawn as a separate way next to the road which is tagged as highway=cycleway. Both methods each have their pros and cons. While adding a single tag to an existing way takes less time and still often describes the cycle track accurately, a separately tagged cycle way is generally more flexible and allows to capture more detail".The capturing of more detail is what I was after here.
The documentation does caution that if drawn seperately, you should be careful to join it up properly at each end, but I that wasn't a problem on this street. -
Comment from MacLondon
The issue here is that (apart from the physically separated bit at the north of the street) the cycle track is connected to the road along the length of the road. Between each pair of wands there are links between the cycle track + the road. No house on the west side of the road is inaccessible from the cycle track.
As you had changed it, to cycle from Stamford Hill station to any of the houses here (all are on the west side), you would have to cycle the full length of West Bank and do a u-turn and go back north via the roadway.
This track (basically a protected cycle lane) is too inherently part of the road to be mapped as a separated way.
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Comment from ramthelinefeed
Well I see what you are saying, but no routing engine currently can cope with cyclists coming out of houses whatever way you draw it, surely? A routing engine just picks the nearest routeable way to the current GPS location?
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Comment from MacLondon
From a (non-routing) mapping perspective, it would still misrepresent the infrastructure to map this as a separate way.
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Comment from ramthelinefeed
Well OpenStreetMap's own documentation disagrees, but I'm not going to argue about it.
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Comment from MacLondon
I'd interpret the wiki as referring to whether to map physically separate cycleways (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/156111836 on this stretch of road) as a simple 'highway=* + cycleway=track' or to map as a separate 'highway=cycleway'. I'd always aim to map these as separate ways.
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- West Bank (419121188), v6
- West Bank (771766633), v6
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