Changeset: 105632004
speed limits, surfaces
Closed by pokey
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changesets_count | 2247 |
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created_by | iD 2.19.6 |
host | https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit |
imagery_used | Bing aerial imagery |
locale | en |
resolved:crossing_ways:highway-waterway | 1 |
source | survey |
Discussion
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Comment from aweech
Please read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed#Driving_direction for how to tag speed limits that are different in each direction. I've been mapping the speed limit signs to help you out in these cases, but you don't seem to be getting it. And, of course, please read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface#Values once again. And, since I found at least one street that you tagged with access=private that didn't have any sign saying such, please read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dprivate.
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Comment from pokey
"speed limits that are different in each direction" - Thanks for that. there are a couple of spots that I am aware of where this is the case, and I was not sure how to tag these
"surface#Values" - OK. I read it again. I'm not sure why you asked me to, but I did.
"I found at least one street that you tagged with access=private" Was it at least one street, or at most one street? I believe you are being hyperbolic again. Either way, which street or streets was it? I very recently did a survey of this area specifically to identify private roads, so I would like to identify the error.
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Comment from aweech
I finally had the time to give this the full review you requested. I had initially just checked Colcord Road and assumed that you were confusing ownership for access, but now I have checked all the ones you added access=private to in this edit. I found that Caverly Court, Colcord Road, Harty Way, Estate Drive, Kessler Way, Flower Drive, Harlan Drive, Nippo Drive, Misty Lane, Donigan Lane, Small Road, and Crossley Road had no markings indicating access=private but did have markings indicating ownership=private. I could find no markings for access=private or ownership=private for Yearling Drive, Neal Lane, and Jacob's Way. I could find no way that you tagged with access=private that had any signage stating that. So I believe that you were confusing ownership for access.
As for surfaces, in your recent edits you continue to tag unpaved Class V roads with surface=dirt, even though that combination is extremely rare. The vast majority of unpaved public highways have been improved and should have surface=compacted or surface=fine_gravel. In this edit particularly, you tagged an asphalt driveway off of Caverly Court as surface=dirt, though that is likely due to making a bad assumption than the more fundamental issue of treating surface=dirt as a synonym for surface=unpaved.
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Comment from pokey
Private roads:
So, you are trying to tell me that in the state of New Hampshire access to a private road is not implicitly restricted, and furthermore that signage indicating the road is privately owned does not expressly restrict assess? I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Lawyers have been debating the definition and circumstances surrounding private roads in NH since long before you or I were born, but one thing is sure: Private roads are private property to which access is limited. In short, you may use a private road only if you own it, by express permission, or if it is an easement to your own property. Thus in the state of NH Ownership=private most definitely means Access=private. If you think I'm wrong, go try parking on one overnight and see what happens. -
Comment from pokey
Surfaces:
I disagree with your conclusion. Surface=dirt is more descriptive than surface=unpaved. The wiki clearly states that "unpaved" could mean any number of possible surfaces, and is not limited to different types of dirt.Also surface=dirt is indisputably more descriptive and more useful than no data at all.
I do agree that gravel, compact, etc... is more descriptive than just "dirt," but I freely admit that it is also outside of my area of interest. I don't see any value in stopping to evaluate the dirt, because I don't think anyone using the map really cares. However, for a great number of people there is value in knowing whether a road is dirt so that they can route around it. I would argue that a great many more people want to rout around the dirt than care what kind of dirt it is.
As I told you before, when I drive past a road I look. If I see dirt, I log dirt, and I make an edit, because from my perspective dirt is dirt.
If you have a different perspective, please go and analyze the dirt, and make your own determination as to what kind of dirt it is. Go do your own survey. I'm not going to do that for you. Feel free to record whether the dirt is made of gravel or compact gravel or crushed seashells or gold flake. Get as granular as you like (pun intended). I promise I won't try to stop you.
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Comment from pokey
What is the specific location in this changeset that has a diferent speed limit in each direction? Have you fixed it? If not, I would appreciate it if you fixed it, and pointed it out to me so that I can see an example done correctly.
You also said that you have been mapping speed limit signs. You are correct that I'm not getting it. I haven't seen any point labeled as a speed limit sign. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
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Comment from aweech
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8722807655 is an example of a speed limit sign here. The matching one that I added a few years ago is by the cemetery just to the north, and the stretch between them is an area where the speed limit is different in each direction. For other examples nearby, see the stretch around the junction of Dover and King Roads near https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8622299365 and going up Center Hill Road near https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8622318991.
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Comment from pokey
Thanks for that example. I get it now.
Ways (1-20 of 45)
- 18856882, v3
- Heron Way (18864975), v5
- Crossley Road (18865240), v9
- Misty Lane (18865429), v7
- 18865972, v5
- Estate Drive (18865974), v5
- 18867034, v4
- 18867252, v5
- Caverly Court (18868109), v5
- Kessler Way (18868479), v6
- Nippo Court (18868503), v4
- Donigian Way (18869306), v3
- Colcord Road (18870608), v5
- Jacob's Way (18871357), v2
- Small Road (18871393), v4
- Small Road (18871394), v5
- Flower Drive (18872247), v4
- Harlan Drive (18872456), v5
- Priest Road (18872659), v3
- River Road (18872904), v3
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