This is so good.

@Minh I had the same idea for the measure, and have commented here:

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/maxar-imagery-not-working-was-maxar-is-blurred-in-id-and-other-similar-topics/100524/42

En tant que président bénévole du conseil d’administration de la fondation OpenStreetMap, j’aimerais d’abord te remercier de ton intérêt pour le travail de l’OSMF. Je voudrais répondre à tes préoccupations concernant la demande d’utilisation de la marque OpenStreetMap par la « Fédération des Pros d’OpenStreetMap » (FPOSM). Je t’encourage finalement à ne pas tirer de conclusions hâtives, ou de nous faire de procès d’intention.

Je comprends que la question de l’utilisation commerciale de la marque peut susciter des inquiétudes, mais je voudrais souligner qu’il existe déjà de nombreux exemples d’utilisation commerciale de la marque OpenStreetMap sans qu’il y ait eu de préjudice pour notre projet. Plusieurs entreprises et organisations utilisent la marque pour leurs activités commerciales, et cela n’a pas nui à notre mission. Au contraire, cela a contribué à la promotion et au développement d’OpenStreetMap en tant que source fiable et qualitative de données cartographiques. Je pense, entre beaucoup d’autres, à Geofabrik qui démontre son expertise en mettant à disposition des extraits, à CartoCité qui affiche OpenStreetMap en grandes lettres en haut de sa première page, à Jungle Bus qui parle mème de fierté, à Cesium OpenStreetMap Buildings qui nous avait très poliment demandé la permission d’utiliser notre nom dans leur produit basé sur OpenStreetMap.

La coexistence de marques est courante, et ne doit pas être un sujet de préoccupation. Des chapitres et groupes locaux parviennent à coexister pacifiquement et même à se soutenir mutuellement. La non-exclusivité géographique est déjà la norme, ce que les consultations sur l’adhésion d’OpenStreetMap Oceania (Polynésie française) et OpenStreetMap Ireland (Irelande du Nord) en tant que chapitres locaux ont confirmé.

La FPOSM est une association qui regroupe des professionnels et des entreprises qui travaillent autour d’OpenStreetMap, et non pas une organisation dont le but est directement de faire des bénéfices. Leur charte éthique est alignée sur nos valeurs et priorités, et leur participation active dans la communauté montre leur engagement envers notre projet. L’annuaire des membres de la FPOSM permet de se faire une idée : des noms connus et reconnus qui soutiennent depuis longtemps OpenStreetMap, que ça soit par des projets ouverts ou par une participation active dans la communauté.

Enfin, je tiens à souligner que si l’OSMF accorde un droit d’utilisation de la marque, ce sera pour un temps limité, et en garantissant la possibilité de mettre fin à l’accord en cas d’utilisation contraire à nos principes. Nous prenons très au sérieux notre responsabilité en tant que gardiens de la marque OpenStreetMap et nous nous assurons que son utilisation est conforme à nos principes.

J’espère que la FPOSM pourra offrir un modèle viable de groupement professionnel autour d’OpenStreetMap, et contribuer à la promotion d’OpenStreetMap et à son développement en France et dans les pays francophones. Nous sommes toujours ravis de voir des organisations qui souhaitent utiliser la marque OpenStreetMap, et nous espérons que cela contribuera à renforcer notre position en tant que source fiable et qualitative de données cartographiques.

As volunteer chair of the OpenStreetMap Foundation Board of Directors, I would first like to thank you for your interest in the work of OSMF. I would like to address your concerns about the application for use of the OpenStreetMap trademark by the “Federation of OpenStreetMap Pros” (FPOSM). Finally, I would encourage you not to jump to conclusions, or to unjustly question our motives.

I understand that the issue of commercial use of the brand may raise concerns, but I would like to point out that there are already many examples of commercial use of the OpenStreetMap brand without harm to our project. Several companies and organisations use the brand for their commercial activities, and this has not harmed our mission. On the contrary, it has contributed to the promotion and development of OpenStreetMap as a reliable and qualitative source of map data. I am thinking, among many others, of Geofabrik demonstrating its expertise by making excerpts available, CartoCité displaying OpenStreetMap in large letters at the top of its front page, Jungle Bus talking about pride, Cesium OpenStreetMap Buildings who very politely asked us for permission to use our name in their OpenStreetMap-based product.

Coexistence of brands is common, and should not be a concern. Local chapters and groups manage to coexist peacefully and even support each other. Geographical non-exclusivity is already the norm, and the consultations on the membership of OpenStreetMap Oceania (French Polynesia) and OpenStreetMap Ireland (Northern Ireland) as local chapters confirmed this.

FPOSM is an association of professionals and companies working around OpenStreetMap, not an organisation whose aim is directly to make a profit. Their ethical charter is aligned with our values and priorities, and their active participation in the community shows their commitment to our project. The directory of FPOSM members gives you an idea: well-known and recognized names that have been supporting OpenStreetMap for a long time, either through open projects or through active participation in the community.

Finally, I would like to emphasize that if OSMF grants a right to use the trademark, it will be for a limited time, and with a guarantee that the agreement can be terminated in case of use contrary to our principles. We take our responsibility as guardians of the OpenStreetMap brand very seriously and ensure that its use is consistent with our principles.

I hope that FPOSM can provide a viable model for a professional grouping around OpenStreetMap, and contribute to the promotion of OpenStreetMap and its development in France and in French-speaking countries. We are always pleased to see organisations wishing to use the OpenStreetMap brand, and we hope that this will help strengthen our position as a reliable and qualitative source of map data.

Translated with my own hands (free version).

Can the whole database be downloaded? It’d be fun to build the better search tool you mention, and also a tool that detects demolished/new buildings from that database.

You’re right! Hope mapping Kayoro never stops being fun for you.

Salve Alessandro,

OSM has organised editing policies that address community complaints like yours. Would you like the Data Working Group to have a look at the situation here?

Happy mapping,

Guillaume

Unfortunately, your images are broken for me - some kind of http/https issue, and no valid certificate on the server hosting your blog.

Here are the three images for other readers:

http://gedeihliches.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Magorban-3D-model-1.png

http://gedeihliches.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Magorban-3D-model-2.png

http://gedeihliches.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Magorban-3D-model-3-scaled.jpg

One thing isn’t really clear to me: in the “objects with rank < 28 can’t have addr:street or addr:place.” analysis, what is rank 28, and rank <28? What does it mean in practical terms?

Hi Antonin! This is extremely useful, and has found a few problems in my area. Thank you.

It’s not available in your editor?

Is the blue line simply a linear regression?

Obligatory https://xkcd.com/2048/

That’s really interesting, thank you for the analysis!

I’ll repeat what you wrote: the Membership Working Group is looking for volunteers to help deal with the influx of new members, automate things a bit, and create this kind of analysis posts.

The existing team is really nice and friendly, and our meetings are fun.

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Membership_Working_Group describes everything. Shoot us an email at membership @ osmfoundation dot org if you want to join!

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This strikes me as unreasonable, and I won’t support it.

We’re already doing this whenever possible. For the (cancelled) F2F planned in London in March, every European board member had booked a ticket on the Eurostar to get there, and all except one had a train ticket to go back.

You’re also talking about the free time of volunteers. Board and OWG members invest a lot of their time for the OSMF; asking people to spend an extra 12 unpaid hours, plus, since you’re only considering travel time in your proposal, any extra time needed to wait for the transportation, is unreasonable.

You’re also not considering the cost and the carbon impact of this. A one-hour flight on a full Dash-8 will cost and emit less than a seven-hour trip alone in a rented car. Not being able to fly could also add an extra hotel night.

As an example, my trip to Cambridge for the treasurer handover in February would probably have been covered. The flight cost 65 EUR, plus £40 for the taxi from the airport because weather conditions shut the train line from Stansted. Taking the train would have cost the OSMF around £300 more, plus the extra hotel night. I would also have had to spend two nights in Cambridge instead of one, and spent two working days instead of two evenings on travel.

Minor detail - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2020 says that voting closes on February 9th, not April 9th.

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/18440 is the ticket on the JOSM side.

https://github.com/bryceco/GoMap/issues/242 is the ticket for GoMap.

@SimonPoole you’d ask every user to sign up for a Maxar API key? Do a bit of oauth magic to grab one automatically? Hmm.

What a pity. Maxar’s imagery is a crucial resource in many places, and the OSM community is very thankful for it. I hope that a solution is found soon. I understand you’re in touch with Bryan Housel, but can you please keep the maintainers of the other editors in the loop too? Shoot me a message if I can help connect everyone.

Oh, the pitfalls of automatically translating idioms! A Schaumschläger is an eggbeater, and it means a person who boasts and produces a lot of hot air. Also, a ‘tomcat’ is a hangover.

Metafilter is often cited as an example of good moderation. What they do takes a huge amount of work, but they manage to create a space where very different viewpoints can meet and have a civil conversation. Is that what we’d want, and can we do that?

Hi Heather,

Thank you for all the work you’ve done for the board.

I’m wondering what you mean by ‘toxic meritocracy’ in the OSM context? The abuse you got on the mailing list about your amount of mapping back in 2017?

I’m also genuinely curious if you have examples of toxic masculinity that you can share. I must confess that it’s something I have seen elsewhere, but not much in the OSM world. It’s hard to do something about a problem that you care about but can’t see.

Cheers,

Guillaume