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Money! 6 months ago

@brianboru I think you are just underlining my points, it was not that the local organizers and the "SOTM WG" for Birmingham were not dotting the i's and crossing the t's and doing a responsible and good job, but that the board as a whole was flying blind (I'm referring mainly to financials here), just as it is this year.

You are assuming a flow of information from the SOTM-WG directly or indirectly to the board that in my experience does not exist and likely has never existed. Just as the other way around, I don't believe the board ever formulated any (public) expectations exactly what SOTM local organizers should or should not do, SOTM, as said many times, largely being treated as a black box.

That it would be the boards responsibility to provide at least minimal financial planning, including some sane way of integrating SOTM, is the whole point.

A final note: the question of the historic pressure on the events to deliver a large portion of the net income of the foundation was discussed both in the board and publicly and IMHO the outcome was that we would try to avoid relying on SOTM (one of the reasons to introduce coorporate membership), with the expectation that the events would remain in the black.

Money! 6 months ago

@jremillard none of the other candidates claim to be the solution for everything and none of the other candidates are themselves (at least co-)responsible for creating the problems.

I've said it multiple times, but again, lots of things are now far better than under Steves regime, there are some which are not, but all are rooted in the first five years. It is not that two years ago the board suddenly decided to not create a budget, it simply never had one,.

Vision? 6 months ago

Hi Flo

I'm fully aware of the problematic side of imports, I just didn't want to side track the discussion. and while I personally would like to avoid imports as much as possible, it is very difficult and perhaps not a good idea to stop people from making their own mistakes.

In any case as I pointed out, data doesn't have to be -in- OSM to be usable with our tools and apps so hopefully one day we will get to a point were the pressure on the community process will be less than it is today.


Money! 6 months ago

As i wrote, that was patched up, so it is really up to the involved parties to speak up.

The one thing that is well known is that is was very difficult to find sufficient funding due to a large number of competing events and the local organizers felt a substantial amount of pressure due to that.

Vision? 6 months ago

Yes. But integrating additional datasets in our services goes back further, for example the central Nominatim instance uses TIGER address data not directly included in OSM.

What we haven't done is make using additional data easy for third parties, for example somebody that wants to create an OSMAnd map with additional data. Maybe this is one of the activities that belongs in the 5% that the community wont do that Richard Fairhurst has pointed out and needs to be supported by the OSMF.

seeking Administrator 6 months ago

What is the issue? There are many people that can help you on different topics. Perhaps it would be best to ask your question on

How can I get accurate locations in a forest ? 7 months ago

Getting good tracks in high foilage areas is difficult to very difficult and even professional grade equiment will have problems. The previous comments have already pointed I number of things out, a couple of more from me:

  • avoid wet weather (just makes the problem worse)
  • depending on the type of forest and where you live, surveying the tracks outside of summer/spring (aka winter, late fall, early spring) will help
  • using a ballon(s) may help
New MapRoulette challenge: TIGER Mismatched Ways 7 months ago

@pieren a bit late, but anyway: you do need to check a wider area around the location. One thing that is very common with TIGER is that the roads actually exist but are offset a km or so. Don't think GPS, think jotting down the approximate position of a turn off on paper.

MapRoulette Challenges 'Ways Needing Smoothing' and 'Crossing Ways' Completed 7 months ago

Martijn, congrats.

I may have asked this before, sorry if I have: the ways need smoothing task at least motivated some mappers (well at least myself) to clean up the surrounding areas (i remember correcting a larger city where all the roads were more than one block off, OSM based navigation devices would have miserably failed there), has there neen a noticeable improvement in routing quality in the US after completion of the task?


Copyright question 8 months ago

Given the small size of the OSMF it is clear that we rely on some policing at a local level as long as we are talking about friendly reminders that attribution of OSM is required.

You should however be sure that attribution is actually missing. There is no requirement to up front declare that a product is based on OSM. Naturally it would be good form to do so, but we are not in the business of teaching people manners.

If there is no obvious and clear attribution in the app itself then it should be added.

Survey = "No freaking way" or Mapping parts of the world no-one else wants to map, Part 2: HMP Sudbury, Derbyshire, UK 8 months ago



... I would actually be surprised if we had an unmapped prison here.

No joy this weekend 8 months ago

@Gerald I didn't say it was a minor problem, just that it is no different than anywhere else (and that it tends to get better over time).

Every new user is shown on first login, you might want to check if the Portugese wording is correct.

No joy this weekend 8 months ago

As has already been said: the Brazilian community does not have a larger relative (to the existing community) influx of new users than others. See given that Brazil is clearly less densely mapped that numerous other regions the "problem" if at all is smaller not larger than in other areas.

A ways to improve the situation is for example to send a (kind) welcome message to new mappers, at the same time you can easily check for any issues with their mapping..

Error message 8 months ago

You don't say which editor you are using, if it is iD see


the blogs are not really a good medium for such questions, I would recommend using the help site.

Very impressed with Vespucci 8 months ago


Opening Hours 9 months ago

Markdown managed to eat a bit of my comment, that should have been: ..(missing definiton od TIME)

Opening Hours 9 months ago

The basic problem is that the grammar is just to complex. While it is nice that you can specify nearly everything it is riddled with special cases that make a complete implementation a pain. Further the available grammar spec seems to have errors (missing definition of ) and doesn't cover things that seem to be in use, like using "," as delimiters between rule-squences. WHich btw doesn't seem to be documented.

And then there is stuff like if you are reasonably lenient about what you accept, for example allowing naked hour values without ":", a legal spec like "11" becomes ambiguous.

Contributor numbers revisited and empty changesets galore 10 months ago

The bloat aspect is neligable, even though currently more than 10% of all changesets created are empty.

From an API point of view while the empty changesets could be discarded they can't being completly stopped from happening. They way to think of them is more: "setting a start marker", "adding edits", "setting a stop marker".

Fehler, Südlich von Peiting ca. 20 Punte die da nicht hingehören. 12 months ago

Hallo Athur, bitte solche Probleme im Deutschen Forum oder mailing list oder auf Die Wahrscheinlicheit, dass es sofort korrigiert wird ist einfach viel grösser.

OpenStreetMap and the Open Data Movement 12 months ago

@lxbarth [sorry for the following bit of tongue in cheekness]

Hasn't the ultimate form of collaboration with government already been invented?

We pay them for their work.